Canada's Offense

[NJ-STEELER]

Bell had only one season with over 300 rush attempts, 329 in 2017 to lead the league.

During that season we were 20th in rushing and 3rd in passing as a team.

Bell ran a ton individually. But as a team we ran less that most teams. Our offense was DEFINITELY pass centric.

They say we "run the wheels" of Bell not because WE ran alot. Fact is ONLY Bell did most all the running when we did run. At to that his 85 catches and we definitely ran the wheels off...but not just "running".

in 2017, they ranked 15th in the league with 27.3 rushing att per game with a run ratio of 42.5%.
the bills led the league in run ratio with 50.57%
they were in the middle of the pack attempting to run the ball the last time bell played a season here

last year they were tied for 4th in lowest rush attempts per game at 23. with a ratio of 36.2%

that's a huge difference.
get some talent back there and those ratios will be closer

in the 2016 season Baltimore, notoriously known as a run team, had the lowest run to pass ratio in the league and the 3rd least rush attempts.
their leading rushers that year were terrence west, kenneth dixon and justin forsett.

are you beginning to see a big part of the picture here?


https://fftoday.com/stats/16_run_pass_ratios.html

[NJ-STEELER]

2018, first year without bell

steelers ranked 7th lowest rush attempts
2019 - 11th lowest
2020 - tied for 4th lowest (with tampa)




with bell
2014 - 18th
2015 - 9th
2016 -18th
2017 - 15th

[Steel Maniac]

I'd rather have Juju OR Claypool blocking than Ebron.

Hahahaha..I sense your not the biggest Ebron fan.

[hawaiiansteel]

Matt Canada feels great about the strides the Steelers revamped offensive line is making

The Pittsburgh Steelers’ new offensive coordinator likes what he sees from his new offensive line.

By Jeff.Hartman@BnGBlitz
Jun 18, 2021

The Pittsburgh Steelers’ offense is undergoing a major overhaul in every way imaginable. New offensive coordinator, new offensive line staff, new quarterbacks coach, new tight end coach and even almost an entirely new offensive line.

Despite those changes, new coordinator Matt Canada, who spoke to the media for the first time this past week during mandatory minicamp, has seen great strides made from his offensive front. That includes his coaching staff as well.

“I feel great about the strides our offensive line is making.” Canada said. “[Adrian] Klemm and Coach Morgan have done a great job with that unit. Obviously, we’ve got some change, there’s no doubt about that. When you talk about the guys with [Maurkice] Pouncey leaving, just the history he has had here and the tremendous player and leader, I’m obviously a huge Pouncey fan. We have to find and fill those roles.”

Suggesting the holes the Steelers have to fill along the offensive line are just the one vacated by Maurkice Pouncey is putting it lightly. The Steelers will be without starters Alejandro Villanueva (left tackle), Matt Feiler (left guard), Pouncey (center) and moving their starting right tackle, Chukwuma Okorafor, to left tackle.

Talk about an overhaul, but it isn’t just the roster which is having an overhaul, so is the mindset. The mindset of running the ball and being aggressive in doing so. Something that wasn’t just Canada’s thought, but came from the top. I mean the way top with Art Rooney II.

“But I think up front, the mindset of what we are trying to do, again the charge from Mr. Rooney to be more physical, to run the football as an offensive lineman, you are going to like that.” Canada added. “We are going to come off the ball and we are going to do that. That doesn’t mean we are going to run the ball a million times or anything like that. But giving them an opportunity to be more aggressive.”

All in all, Canada has been extremely pleased with the work ethic and dedication of the offensive line. Across the board.

“All the way across the board, guys are working really hard. Because of the situation, we haven’t gone against our defense at all yet, so that will be interesting with Minicamp. And there will be some growing pains as we all know. But to get to go up against our defensive line every day makes us better and I feel really good about where the product will be in the fall when it matters.”

With the conclusion of minicamp on Thursday, the Steelers won’t reconvene until they report to training camp. At this time, no one knows where training camp will be held, but the hope is the team will return to Saint Vincent College in Latrobe, PA at the end of July. Either way, the Steelers’ offensive line will dictate the success, or failure, of the offense in 2021.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2021/6/18/22540215/matt-canada-feels-great-about-strides-the-steelers-revamped-offensive-line-is-making-adrian-klemm

[Captain Lemming]

2018, first year without bell

steelers ranked 7th lowest rush attempts
2019 - 11th lowest
2020 - tied for 4th lowest (with tampa)




with bell
2014 - 18th
2015 - 9th
2016 -18th
2017 - 15th

Correct. It has been worse lately sure. I did not say we were a bottom of the league run team with Bell.

The premise of the article was we cannot rely on Ben's arm carrying the team. When you mentioned the "Bell run the wheels off" the implication is we ran a lot.

We have never ran the ball a lot WITH Bell. We have been dependent on Ben's arm for years. Every season we are a higher ranked passing team than running team, and it is not close.

Do the post above and dont leave out including ranking for passing attempts and my point is obvious.

The article has merit. They haven't forgotten Bells era. The idea is that we gotta lean on the run with aging Ben. They aren't talking about a qb who is top 10 in passing like Ben often has been since we used to be in superbowls.

[NorthCoast]

Whatever the Steelers run it's gotta be a whole hell of a lot better than the Fichtner show:

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[feltdizz]

I'd rather have Juju OR Claypool blocking than Ebron.

Thank you.. I think people either forget or just didn’t know Ebron was never brought here to block.

[NJ-STEELER]

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[NJ-STEELER]

Correct. It has been worse lately sure. I did not say we were a bottom of the league run team with Bell.

The premise of the article was we cannot rely on Ben's arm carrying the team. When you mentioned the "Bell run the wheels off" the implication is we ran a lot.

We have never ran the ball a lot WITH Bell. We have been dependent on Ben's arm for years. Every season we are a higher ranked passing team than running team, and it is not close.

Do the post above and dont leave out including ranking for passing attempts and my point is obvious.

The article has merit. They haven't forgotten Bells era. The idea is that we gotta lean on the run with aging Ben. They aren't talking about a qb who is top 10 in passing like Ben often has been since we used to be in superbowls.

with bell on the team
the highest they ranked in pass attempts per game was 6th. some years finishing in the middle of the pack...and that's with one of the top wideouts in the game who (as we learned) would throw fits on the sidelines if the ball wasn't thrown to him.

since bell's departure... they've ranked 1st in two of those years.

so like I said, if they didn't want to rely on ben's arm as much the last few years they should have addressed the gaping hole of talent at the RB position.
i'm not sure where you're getting this 'we relied on ben's arm too much" argument from. with bell on the team our numbers weren't nearly as lop sided as the were since he left

i hope yinz are comparing those numbers with teams in the same year showing how the game has changed versus decades ago when they ran with franco and rocky

[NJ-STEELER]

Correct. It has been worse lately sure.
The premise of the article was we cannot rely on Ben's arm carrying the team. When you mentioned the "Bell run the wheels off" the implication is we ran a lot..

there's no implication. we did run more with bell on the team and we also used him in the screen game a lot which you may be discounting. it skews the run/pass ratio, but those plays aren't "relying on Ben's Arm" like you suggest

Every season we are a higher ranked passing team than running team, and it is not close. wrong, not in the years bell was here. use the link



The article has merit. They haven't forgotten Bells era. The idea is that we gotta lean on the run with aging Ben.
yeah, no kidding. we should have been doing that once bell left. the FO thought they could get by with the trash they had in the backfield and were dead wrong. to sugest it now, as ben is entering his late 30s seems a bit too obvious
They aren't talking about a qb who is top 10 in passing like Ben often has been since we used to be in superbowls.

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[Captain Lemming]

Every season we are a higher ranked passing team than running team, and it is not close. wrong, not in the years bell was here. use the link

I did use the link. Every single season on that list with Bell, we are in the lower half of run/pass ratio. YOUR criteria.

Every single season we are in the top half pass over run ratio.. Every single season.

Heck, even a the goaline we were pass first WITH Bell.

Nobody is saying what we had the past couple of seasons wasn't straight trash. Run game was AWEFUL. It has been far worse. Yes we HAD to pass a ton.

But have had a pass first offense for over a decade...not compared to Franco/Rocky..compared to the league. We can't do that no more.

The point people are making is that now that we have a quality back, we need to turn that ratio around. The last time with a quality back in Bell we STILL passed more than 2/3s of the league. That's all.

[NJ-STEELER]

I did use the link. Every single season on that list with Bell, we are in the lower half of run/pass ratio. YOUR criteria.


Every single season we are in the top half pass over run ratio.. Every single season.

Heck, even a the goaline we were pass first WITH Bell.

Nobody is saying what we had the past couple of seasons wasn't straight trash. Run game was AWEFUL. It has been far worse. Yes we HAD to pass a ton.

But have had a pass first offense for over a decade...not compared to Franco/Rocky..compared to the league. We can't do that no more.

The point people are making is that now that we have a quality back, we need to turn that ratio around. The last time with a quality back in Bell we STILL passed more than 2/3s of the league. That's all.

No, you're taking the national media's agenda and trying to spin it against ben because you think they passed the ball too much and think that's the offense ben has wanted.
i'm saying that's the offense we needed to deploy because the run game was bad after we lost bell

in reality, they passed it as much on average as the rest of the league did.
for example in 2014, 24 teams passed the ball at least 54% of the time. 75% of the teams in the league
three years later in 2017, the same number of teams passed at the same percentage (houston 53.96)

also , you are again discounting the number of screens we ran with bell. those plays are not "relying on ben's arm" like you are suggesting. they are featuring our talented back to get him in space and get the ball in his hands some more. hence the **ran the wheels off him**. trying to take advantage of the receiving TALENT he had.
subtract 80 + passes attempts to bell and put them in the run category and you'll find the ratio numbers even closer

yes, we need to run the ball a whole lot more then the last 3 years. that's easier to do when you (finally) address the run game problem with a high pick
in the years with bell , they ran/screened the ball more then enough

[NJ-STEELER]

Every season we are a higher ranked passing team than running team, and it is not close.

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as does the rest of the league as i showed with the above stats.
in 2014 there were 25 teams topping the 54% passing ratio. more then 75% of the league

its not the 70s anymore

[Captain Lemming]

as does the rest of the league as i showed with the above stats.
in 2014 there were 25 teams topping the 54% passing ratio. more then 75% of the league

its not the 70s anymore

Again you aren't listening.
I am talking "ranking". Not absolute numbers.

LOOK AT YOUR OWN LINK.

Sort that same list in decending order. Run pass ratio. We are bottom half every season.

Allow me to clarify.

Of THIRTY TWO TEAMS in the NFL we are consistently ranked below HALF of those teams, in run/pass ratio.

I am not comparing us with the 70s. I am not suggesting we run MORE than we pass.

Relative to the REST OF THE LEAGUE we pass a greater percentage of the time...EVERY YEAR even WITH Bell.

All the reference article said is we need to run more than we have because Ben is getting old. Don't overly worried about what Canada said. We can't live on Bens arm and Canada knows that.

The article is correct. Ideally, we don't want to be top 10 in pass attempt because Ben cannot carry a team at this stage of his career. You make it like the article (and me) are hating on Ben. All it is saying he is older.

Do we need to be Baltimore in running? No. Do we need to run more than pass? No it is 2021.

All I want is to lean more on the run than the average NFL team. Can I have that?

I don't want us to be 20th in run/pass ratio with an aging quarterback, which happened even when we had an elite back in the past.

Thus my issue with your take. Its not that the writer "forgets" the Bell era.

Even in the Bell era we relied more on Bens arm than most teams did their quarterbacks.

That has to change.

[Captain Lemming]

No, you're taking the national media's agenda and trying to spin it against ben because you think they passed the ball too much and think that's the offense ben has wanted.

This is wholly not true.

I have never ever ONCE blamed Ben for our run pass ratio. I think you confuse me with someone who does that. I don't think Ben would have an ounce of an issue with running more at this stage.of his career.

This forum has a nice search tool. Feel free to try to prove otherwise

i'm saying that's the offense we needed to deploy because the run game was bad after we lost bell

Don't disagree at all on this. We did what we had to do under the circumstances. I never blamed Ben for passing so much.

in reality, they passed it as much on average as the rest of the league did.

Not true at all. Your numbers below prove nothing as you are looking at league trends. You not comparing the Steelers to the rest of the league.

for example in 2014, 24 teams passed the ball at least 54% of the time. 75% of the teams in the league
three years later in 2017, the same number of teams passed at the same percentage (houston 53.96)

Tells us absolutely nothing about where the Steelers land relative to the league in general.

Also , you are again discounting the number of screens we ran with bell. those plays are not "relying on ben's arm" like you are suggesting. they are featuring our talented back to get him in space and get the ball in his hands some more. hence the **ran the wheels off him**. trying to take advantage of the receiving TALENT he had.
subtract 80 + passes attempts to bell and put them in the run category and you'll find the ratio numbers even closer

Oh come on. First not every pass to Bell was a stinkin screen. 2017- 85 passes to Bell, team was 6th in pass attempts 4th in yards? That is not what happens when you are living off screens.

If you classify short passes as runs, that is EXACTLY what we did last year to an unprecedented degree. We're we not relying on Ben's arm? This argument is ridiculous.