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  • Joel Buchsbaum
    Legend
    • Jan 2021
    • 7603

    Originally posted by Mr.wizard
    When the Steelers decide to move on from Tomlin , it will be the right time. Right now the Steelers say he is the man for the job, so who am i supposed to listen too, you or the organization?

    The problem with Tomlin detractors is they not only want to move on from Tomlin but they want to invalidate every accomplishment over the course of his career and that is where you will find most people coming to his defense.
    You didn't answer my question. Why do you think Tomlin deserved the 3 year extension, and at what point do you as a Tomlin backer think the right time to move on from him is? Simple, right?

    I listed examples.

    No playoff wins, in 5 years and counting...

    A losing season...

    I'm not trying to invalidate what he has done in the past. Just wondering what it will take to change your mind and please no deferring to Art Rooney II.
    Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

    Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

    *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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    • Steel Maniac
      Banned
      • Apr 2017
      • 19472

      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
      You didn't answer my question. Why do you think Tomlin deserved the 3 year extension, and at what point do you as a Tomlin backer think the right time to move on from him is? Simple, right?

      I listed examples.

      No playoff wins, in 5 years and counting...

      A losing season...

      I'm not trying to invalidate what he has done in the past. Just wondering what it will take to change your mind and please no deferring to Art Rooney II.
      I'm not trying to invalidate what Tomlin has done in the past with Cowher's players and coaches. But none of that means anything in the here and now. That's what I've been trying to point out as well. No dispute on what he did with Cowher's players and coaches from 2007-2009 seasons.

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      • hawaiiansteel
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 35314

        Originally posted by feltdizz

        why the hell is SM so obsessed with Shula and the Phins. Shula is still considered the one of the best NFL coaches ever and he thinks this comparison makes Tomlin look bad? lmao.
        Steel Maniac is coming around on Tomlin.

        he is telling us we better not get rid of Tomlin or we will go 26+ years without another Super Bowl victory just like the Dolphins have done since Don Shula left.

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        • Joel Buchsbaum
          Legend
          • Jan 2021
          • 7603

          Originally posted by feltdizz
          it ends when they move on from him. Blind hate is much worse than blind loyalty.

          A losing season? Wouldn’t that be his first? Doesn’t that answer the question why he has been extended?

          You keep asking US why when its the ownership who likes Tomlin. Its obvious you aren’t familiar with the franchise because you would know the answer to your question.

          You keep asking the same question while ignoring the answers because you are blinded by hate. You just don’t like the answers.. lol.

          LOL. I'm exposing those who can't answer, yourself being at the top of that list.

          Tomlin has had three 8-8 seasons and two other season's where he has won 9 games and didn't make the playoffs. 5 years of no playoffs, not the mention the times he did makes the playoffs and lost. 5 more years of 1 and done in the playoffs, so that's 10 years coaching with no playoff wins. Got it? Meaning he only won a playoff game in 4 of 14 seasons, and most of them happened with Bill Cowher players up to the 2016 season...Our LAST playoff win.

          Give yourself a pat on the back if this is what you predicted in the past. Most fans in all of these seasons saw 10-6 or better. What we got is disappointment and underachieving in the past.

          It's been 4+ years / seasons since we even won a playoff game. You can't be happy with that. Or maybe you can as long as Tomlin is still the head coach.

          Oh, I know the results quite clearly. Your just not happy when reply with them. As you say " blind loyalty." I don't hate Tomlin, I'm just tired of too many seasons of his mistakes and losing track record in the playoffs for the past 5 years. The NFL is very much a what have you done lately sports league. 5 years is enough time.

          4th time asking, at what point do you think its time to move on a get a better coach? As for the history of the franchise, the Steelers have had 16 different head coaches and 8 in Art Rooney II's life time.
          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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          • Sugar
            Hall of Famer
            • Oct 2008
            • 3700

            Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

            4th time asking, at what point do you think its time to move on a get a better coach? As for the history of the franchise, the Steelers have had 16 different head coaches and 8 in Art Rooney II's life time.
            The time to get another coach is when Mike Tomlin decides to step down or when he has multiple losing seasons in a row. Of course, he could possibly do something out of character that would put him in jeopardy with the law or something. Other than that, Mr. Rooney knows what he has in Mike Tomlin and is happy with that. I've seen his track record of work and despite your recitation of lag indicators, there's nobody else I would hire to coach the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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            • Oviedo
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 23776

              Originally posted by feltdizz
              it ends when they move on from him. Blind hate is much worse than blind loyalty.

              A losing season? Wouldn’t that be his first? Doesn’t that answer the question why he has been extended?

              You keep asking US why when its the ownership who likes Tomlin. Its obvious you aren’t familiar with the franchise because you would know the answer to your question.

              You keep asking the same question while ignoring the answers because you are blinded by hate. You just don’t like the answers.. lol.
              This!!! Only the Rooney's matter and they are 100% committed to Tomlin so accept it. Continuing to post the same irrational comments and questions that the owners have already answered is a waste of time
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27222

                Originally posted by Oviedo
                This!!! Only the Rooney's matter and they are 100% committed to Tomlin so accept it. Continuing to post the same irrational comments and questions that the owners have already answered is a waste of time
                When you have to ask if Tomlin having his first losing season in 15 years will be enough to sour fans.. well, that answers the question of why he was extended.

                I think fans like Joel need to accept that Tomlin isn’t going anywhere until he decides to move on.

                Once Ben leaves the FO will have a ton of money to spread around to other positions.

                As long as we don’t put out faith in a bum QB we should remain competitive for years to come until we have to pay a QB big bucks.
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                • Mr.wizard
                  Legend
                  • May 2014
                  • 6617

                  Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                  You didn't answer my question. Why do you think Tomlin deserved the 3 year extension, and at what point do you as a Tomlin backer think the right time to move on from him is? Simple, right?

                  I listed examples.

                  No playoff wins, in 5 years and counting...

                  A losing season...

                  I'm not trying to invalidate what he has done in the past. Just wondering what it will take to change your mind and please no deferring to Art Rooney II.
                  I did answer your question, the right time to move on is when the Steelers decide hes not right for the job. Its really that simple, Tomlin's track record already establishes he is a good coach, so my mind wont be changed on that. Does he deserve a 3 year extension? Yes he does he has the Steelers every year in a position to compete and that is all you can really ask of a coach. And the Rooney's who run one the most successful sports franchises think he deserves an extension, so you would think that would answer your question on its own.
                  Last edited by Mr.wizard; 04-29-2021, 04:14 PM.

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                  • NJ-STEELER
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 12563

                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    When you have to ask if Tomlin having his first losing season in 15 years will be enough to sour fans.. well, that answers the question of why he was extended.

                    I think fans like Joel need to accept that Tomlin isn’t going anywhere until he decides to move on.

                    Once Ben leaves the FO will have a ton of money to spread around to other positions.

                    As long as we don’t put out faith in a bum QB we should remain competitive for years to come until we have to pay a QB big bucks.
                    a few years back ben got a 3 year extension. meaning the FO and, i would assume, the coach wanted him here.

                    why were you against it?

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27222

                      Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                      a few years back ben got a 3 year extension. meaning the FO and, i would assume, the coach wanted him here.

                      why were you against it?
                      I was against it because of his age and cap hit.

                      but I would never demand Ben supporters prove why he was extended or what needs to happen for them to stop believing in him.
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                      • NJ-STEELER
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 12563

                        the steelers have chosen ben to be the QB next year, why were/are you against it?

                        Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                        I did answer your question, the right time to move on is when the Steelers decide hes not right for the job. Its really that simple, Tomlin's track record already establishes he is a good coach, so my mind wont be changed on that. Does he deserve a 3 year extension? Yes he does he has the Steelers every year in a position to compete and that is all you can really ask of a coach. And the Rooney's who run one the most successful sports franchises think he deserves an extension, so you would think that would answer your question on its own.

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                        • Captain Lemming
                          Legend
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 15979

                          Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                          the steelers have chosen ben to be the QB next year, why were/are you against it?
                          Steelers are historically MUCH better at judging coaches than quarterbacks.
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                          In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                          TCFCLTC-
                          The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                          • NJ-STEELER
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 12563

                            Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                            Steelers are historically MUCH better at judging coaches than quarterbacks.

                            hahah that's funny

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                            • Mr.wizard
                              Legend
                              • May 2014
                              • 6617

                              Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                              the steelers have chosen ben to be the QB next year, why were/are you against it?
                              Im not against it, Steelers decide that Ben is the man for the job. , they know better than I do. The right time to move on from Ben is when the Steelers decide to move on from Ben. I am critical of Bens performance lately but that doesnt mean I dont think he is a HOF QB or that he cant still be successful.

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                              • feltdizz
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 27222

                                Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                                Im not against it, Steelers decide that Ben is the man for the job. , they know better than I do. The right time to move on from Ben is when the Steelers decide to move on from Ben. I am critical of Bens performance lately but that doesnt mean I dont think he is a HOF QB or that he cant still be successful.
                                even if were against it, once it happens its goofy to demand why they made the decision.

                                They aren’t bringing Ben back because they plan on losing. Acting like the FO has no interest in winning with Ben is foolish.
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