Art Rooney Says Mike Tomlin Is The Steelers’ Coach Of The Future

[Joel Buchsbaum]

what more did Cowher do with Ben? He only made 1 SB with Ben.

Are you really celebrating a .500 season and a horrible loss to the Pats in a hime AFCCG? Remember, we needed 2 missed field goals to beat the Jets in OT the prior week.

That’s unacceptable.

Seriously, during that Jets playoff game fans were cursing Bill at the sports bar in Philly before both Jets FG attempts because once again it felt like another playoff let down.

You guys are revising history with your praise of Cowher.

Let's talk about history.

Cowher only had Ben for 3 years, and won a super bowl. He was 34-14 with Ben, going 6-1 with Ben the in the playoffs.

What has Tomlin done with Ben 14 years?

Tomlin is 1-5 in his last 6 games. He lead the team to another collapse, and is 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games. ( Two of the playoff wins vs back up Qb's ) The last time the Steelers won a playoff game it was 2016. It's now 2021. His ability to hire and retain good coaches is pretty bad. Art needs to let him go in 2022, once his contract expires. The 2021 season is NOT going to be a good one.

[NorthCoast]

Let's talk about history.

Cowher only had Ben for 3 years, and won a super bowl. He was 34-14 with Ben, going 6-1 with Ben the in the playoffs.

What has Tomlin done with Ben 14 years?

Tomlin is 1-5 in his last 6 games. He lead the team to another collapse, and is 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games. ( Two of the playoff wins vs back up Qb's ) The last time the Steelers won a playoff game it was 2016. It's now 2021. His ability to hire and retain good coaches is pretty bad. Art needs to let him go in 2022, once his contract expires. The 2021 season is NOT going to be a good one.

No team retains good coaches. They move on and up, that's the way it works in the NFL.

[whatever]

No team retains good coaches. They move on and up, that's the way it works in the NFL.

We are just talking about munch and arians, correct?
2 good coaches in 14 years isn’t too impressive.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

No team retains good coaches. They move on and up, that's the way it works in the NFL.

Some teams do retain good coaches. We lose them without promotion ( Munchak ) And we certainly could have kept Arians in the same role, we fired him. HE found work in the same role and was promoted due to the head coach being ill. That was the last time we made the Super Bowl, with Arians calling the plays.

Where is Tomlin's coaching tree of those who were promoted to head coach? He does't have one. Andy Reid for example has had 10 coaches working underneath him that have attained the status of head coach.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article248595105.html

Given Tomlin's long tenure, you figure he'd have more. I'll give him Arians, a Bill Cowher era hire, even though he let him go.

[feltdizz]

I’m just imagining all the complaints these same people would’ve had after 13 years and no SB ring with Cowher and then 2014 happens..

First off, Ben rides the pine and we knew next to nothing about him, he was a MAC guy. Not sure anyone is really upset he isn’t playing.. but then he goes in and has a season like we have never seen before..

Which makes Cowher an idiot for not starting him on Day 1. Doesn’t he want a SB ring? wtf.

fast forward to the playoffs, of course we know Cowher is bashed repeatedly for handcuffing Ben and taking the air out of the ball.

“That type of conservative crap will haunt us in the playoffs.”

Steelers vs Jets. Ben plays awful, throws an INT in the endzone. 2 chip shot misses by the Jets.. Cowher bashers chime in:

“Well, he needed 2 FG misses to win. He sucks.”

Beat down vs Pats in Championship game... coach bashers:

“Cowher fails again at home, didn’t have the D ready.. still owned by Bill and Brady”

2005 after the Bungles loss puts us at 7-5 and all hope is about lost..

Bashers: “Cowher, even with Ben, just cant seem to win.. Bettis came back for this? ugh”

but wait, we go on a run and make the playoffs and then Carson gets hurt in the first series.

bashers: “Cowher got lucky Carson went down, we wouldnt win if he played all game”


Colts game... everyone is on cloud 9 and then Bettis fumbles:

bashers: “this is why you dont run that fat man at the GL. Cowher tried to lose that game by giving Bettis the glory. Once again Cowher needs Ben and a missed FG to win. That was luck..”

Denver.. “meh, it was against Jake, if Elway was still the QB..”

SB win vs Seattle: “Cowher held Ben back and we almost lost. If it wasn’t for the refs and the TE dropping passes Seattle easily wins.. we won in spite of Cowher, lets see what he does next year”

2006: “.500.. and we needed overtime to beat the Bungels. Cowher SUCKS, we wont win another SB with him. Billicheat would’ve won back to back SB’s with this roster!!!”

[NorthCoast]

Some teams do retain good coaches. We lose them without promotion ( Munchak ) And we certainly could have kept Arians in the same role, we fired him. HE found work in the same role and was promoted due to the head coach being ill. That was the last time we made the Super Bowl, with Arians calling the plays.

Where is Tomlin's coaching tree of those who were promoted to head coach? He does't have one. Andy Reid for example has had 10 coaches working underneath him that have attained the status of head coach.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article248595105.html

Given Tomlin's long tenure, you figure he'd have more. I'll give him Arians, a Bill Cowher era hire, even though he let him go.

Not the HC's job to get others promoted. Belichick has had several coaches move into HC roles. So what?... most have been disappointments to say the least.

[feltdizz]

Let's talk about history.

Cowher only had Ben for 3 years, and won a super bowl. He was 34-14 with Ben, going 6-1 with Ben the in the playoffs.

What has Tomlin done with Ben 14 years?

Tomlin is 1-5 in his last 6 games. He lead the team to another collapse, and is 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games. ( Two of the playoff wins vs back up Qb's ) The last time the Steelers won a playoff game it was 2016. It's now 2021. His ability to hire and retain good coaches is pretty bad. Art needs to let him go in 2022, once his contract expires. The 2021 season is NOT going to be a good one.

lets talk about Cowhers last season.

.500 football buddy.

Sure, Cowher won a SB in Ben’s second year but you are using revisionist history to suggest Cowher would continue to win SB’s with Ben. What’s that based on? Reality or thinking the best vs the law of averages?

I bet Seattle fans, Packer fans also thought they would win more SB’s in a short period because they had Wilson and Rodgers.

its easy to say.. much harder to do.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Not the HC's job to get others promoted. Belichick has had several coaches move into HC roles. So what?... most have been disappointments to say the least.

It's the head coach's job to hire the right staff around him. If the staff is good, they get promoted. That has been relatively absent n Tomlin's tenure and promoting from within, when better name coaches go elsewhere isn't a good look. Canada and Klemm. Our New OC ( who has little experience ) Klemm the OL coach who was just an assistance. The optics do not look good.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

lets talk about Cowhers last season.

.500 football buddy.

Sure, Cowher won a SB in Ben’s second year but you are using revisionist history to suggest Cowher would continue to win SB’s with Ben. What’s that based on? Reality or thinking the best vs the law of averages?

I bet Seattle fans, Packer fans also thought they would win more SB’s in a short period because they had Wilson and Rodgers.

its easy to say.. much harder to do.

Buddy, let' talk about what he did with Ben. I see your skipping that point all together. Once again,
Cowher only had Ben for 3 years, and won a super bowl. He was 34-14 with Ben, going 6-1 with Ben the in the playoffs.

What has Tomlin done with Ben 14 years?

Tomlin is 1-5 in his last 6 games. He lead the team to another collapse, and is 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games. ( Two of the playoff wins vs back up Qb's ) The last time the Steelers won a playoff game it was 2016. It's now 2021. His ability to hire and retain good coaches is pretty bad.

^^^ If you disagree with above, I've got a bridge to see you where Three Rivers used to be. If it makes you feel better, I think Art Rooney II is a bigger problem, and he's the team majority owner. Some of the minority owners according to the press hinted they want Tomlin out.

I myself want him to coach out his contract. We need draft position. And that is what will happen.

If you don't think Cowher would have done better during his tenure is he had Ben for 15 years like Tomlin had, and was better off with Tomzak, O'Donnell, Stewart, Miller or Maddox, just come out and say so.

Tomlin won with Cowher players, period. And he has been 8-8 before too. What has he done in the playoffs? Is there a head coach in the NFL that is 3-7 in his last ten playoff games? Has there been any that bad over 10 games?

I would not write off Seattle or Green Bay getting to the super bowl again. One day Tom Brady has to age, so they can get there. The NFC to me is weaker.

Next season, I think we are in trouble. 8-8 or less. Don't take my word, look what Las Vegas odds say in about two weeks.

[whatever]

Not the HC's job to get others promoted. Belichick has had several coaches move into HC roles. So what?... most have been disappointments to say the least.

The point is they impressed other teams.

Most head coaches fail(or aren’t allowed a decade or more) doesnt mean they didnt deserve or earn the chance.

[Northern_Blitz]

It's the head coach's job to hire the right staff around him. If the staff is good, they get promoted. That has been relatively absent n Tomlin's tenure and promoting from within, when better name coaches go elsewhere isn't a good look. Canada and Klemm. Our New OC ( who has little experience ) Klemm the OL coach who was just an assistance. The optics do not look good.

This kind of depends on the philosophy of the hires.

No one was going to hire LeBeau for a HC job after his stint with Tomlin. Lots of our assistants have also been old guys (like Drake).

I think that was mostly true about Haley too. He already failed as a HC and we hired him because he was a good OC before that (or because he was friends with the owners if you prefer that narrative).

But, I think you would expect Tomlin to have more guys get hired than he has. Maybe that means he's not great at mentoring the coaches underneath him?

Cowher doesn't have a great coaching tree, but there are guys that went on to become HCs and have some level of success.

Tomlin doesn't really have that, unless you count Arians which is certainly not a textbook example of a coaching tree.

It might just be me, but it seems like there are more hires out of college these days.

Does anyone know what Sean Payton's coaching tree looks like? I couldn't find anything with a quick google search. I think he's the best comparable to Tomlin in the current era. Would be interesting to see if he's had more successful guys move on than Tomlin (can't really be less). That's probably a more fair comparison than BB (because everyone's trying to catch that Patriot magic).

[hawaiiansteel]

I’m just imagining all the complaints these same people would’ve had after 13 years and no SB ring with Cowher

I'm sure the same guys here who are ball washing Cowher today would have been losing their minds and whining endlessly.

one of them would probably have also had a sig...

[hawaiiansteel]

Cowher had Ben ( franchise QB) the last 3 years of his tenure. Tomlin had Ben his entire tenure. Cowher did more with less than Tomlin. Tomlin isn’t in Cowher’s zip code as far a being a good coach. If Cowher would have had Ben his entire tenure like Tomlin has, we’d have at least two more super bowl victories.

Cowher’s “you don’t need a QB” philosophy almost worked. Instead of spending cap space on one franchise QB, Cowher used that money to keep extra defensive studs. Run the ball, play lights out defense (with more defensive studs than most teams could keep), and win.

Cowher’s philosophy finally worked when Ben was on a rookie contract. Cowher had his “cheap” QB and thus, he was also able to still roster those extra defenders. Voila!!!... Lombardi!!! It would have been interesting to see how Cowher would have handled things when Ben was no longer on his rookie contract.

the last year of Cowher and Ben the team went 8-8. so you have no idea of whether Cowher would have won any more Super Bowls, especially since Ben would have no longer been on his cheap rookie contract.

[feltdizz]

Buddy, let' talk about what he did with Ben. I see your skipping that point all together. Once again,
Cowher only had Ben for 3 years, and won a super bowl. He was 34-14 with Ben, going 6-1 with Ben the in the playoffs.

What has Tomlin done with Ben 14 years?

Tomlin is 1-5 in his last 6 games. He lead the team to another collapse, and is 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games. ( Two of the playoff wins vs back up Qb's ) The last time the Steelers won a playoff game it was 2016. It's now 2021. His ability to hire and retain good coaches is pretty bad.

^^^ If you disagree with above, I've got a bridge to see you where Three Rivers used to be. If it makes you feel better, I think Art Rooney II is a bigger problem, and he's the team majority owner. Some of the minority owners according to the press hinted they want Tomlin out.

I myself want him to coach out his contract. We need draft position. And that is what will happen.

If you don't think Cowher would have done better during his tenure is he had Ben for 15 years like Tomlin had, and was better off with Tomzak, O'Donnell, Stewart, Miller or Maddox, just come out and say so.

Tomlin won with Cowher players, period. And he has been 8-8 before too. What has he done in the playoffs? Is there a head coach in the NFL that is 3-7 in his last ten playoff games? Has there been any that bad over 10 games?

I would not write off Seattle or Green Bay getting to the super bowl again. One day Tom Brady has to age, so they can get there. The NFC to me is weaker.

Next season, I think we are in trouble. 8-8 or less. Don't take my word, look what Las Vegas odds say in about two weeks.

You are repeating yourself... and your slip is showing.

Its real easy to extrapolate the first 2 seasons Cowher had Ben and not the 3rd season. Do we rebound from 8- with Cowher? Maybe but we really don’t know.

The whole Cowher love is hilarious because anyone who is really honest knows damn well fans weren’t in love with him until he finally won a SB.

Don’t care what vegas says.. I’ve always thought Tomlin never having a losing season wasn’t really a plus when it comes to the draft but we tend to be competitive even when we have a 4th string QB with Tomlin.

as far as GB and Seattle are concerned. See, you prove my point. You still think they can win a SB (and anyone can) but the reality is since winning their SB’s Seattle hasn’t sniffed much after the second trip.. and was downright bad for years once they lost their D. GB hasn’t returned since the 2011 season.

New Orleans is another one, since their win they haven’t been back although one can say the refs robbed them of a trip a few years ago. But we al know making a SB doesn’t really count right? Gotta win it or else.

[feltdizz]

Cowher’s “you don’t need a QB” philosophy almost worked. Instead of spending cap space on one franchise QB, Cowher used that money to keep extra defensive studs. Run the ball, play lights out defense (with more defensive studs than most teams could keep), and win.

Cowher’s philosophy finally worked when Ben was on a rookie contract. Cowher had his “cheap” QB and thus, he was also able to still roster those extra defenders. Voila!!!... Lombardi!!! It would have been interesting to see how Cowher would have handled things when Ben was no longer on his rookie contract.

the last year of Cowher and Ben the team went 8-8. so you have no idea of whether Cowher would have won any more Super Bowls, especially since Ben would have no longer been on his cheap rookie contract.

Cowher said he would pick Josh Allen over Mahomes if he had to build a team.

He also said GB punting late wad the correct call.

I liked Bill but this revisionist history is hilarious. Its easy to fit a coach for imaginary rings after the fact. Hell, why stop at 2 more rings? He would’ve won 8 more if he never retired.

What is really hilarious is most Ben fans were mad even when we were winning with Cowher because they were “handcuffing him” with turtle ball.