A Positive View of they Draft

[NJ-STEELER]

Interesting. Did "I" say anything about the Chiefs? Mahommes? Different teams.

Look at my post again. I used the expression "we" about 5 times.

Let me tell you how "we" have had success.

The most successful teams in with Ben as QB.
2004 Most wins by a Steeler team ever
2005 Ben's 1st SB victory
2008 Ben's 2nd SB victory
2010 Ben's last SB appearance

What do those teams have in common. Ben under 3500 yards.

Our last playoff is a perfect example. I have defended Ben's performance plenty.

We did not lose "because" of passing. We had record passing numbers because we fell behind.

If we "can" run we will run. If we "can" stop people we will stop people.

If we are capable of doing those things there is no way in green earth Ben leads the league in passing.

In harmony with the original contention, saying he led the league in passing yardage says more about deficiencies elsewhere than it does about Ben's level of play.

His passing "quantity" numbers are not ever an indication of team success.

I’m not going to get into it with you why other teams can be successful passing but the Steelers can’t.
I don’t think it makes any sense in what you’re trying to say.

but I’ll say this, again. We were not behind “ a lot” and therefore had to pass.
As was originally contended. It was part of the game plan to attack defebses with the pass

mahomes.again With 30 passing yards less in the year was also not behind in a lot of the games he played in.

people ( not you in particular) are stuck in the yinzers football phase of thinking the stillers or any team need to run the ball first and foremost To be successful

as I’ve shown with the teams I listed, that’s simply not the case anymore

[Steel Maniac]

Like that Charger game that year in Ben's last full season. We were nicely ahead, at home, at halftime. That game still bothers me. How we kept having linebackers cover Keenan Allen.

[Mr.wizard]

Winning doesn't boil down to run/pass ratio, it boils down to first downs and sustained drives.

[Starlifter]

I just want a balanced offense that can do everything well. (who doesn't?)

But if a team is leading the league in passing but can't control the clock or convert a 3rd and 1 - they aren't winning a SB

If a team leads the league in rushing but can't convert a 3rd and 7 - they aren't winning a SB

I think as always the focus should be on good balance, a good ratio of run/pass that leads to greater time of possession and to remember as I paraphrase tomlin - we count lombardis in the trophy case, not rushing titles or passing titles.

I bet Dan Marino or Dan Fouts both with they could have run a little more consistently........

[Mr.wizard]

I just want a balanced offense that can do everything well. (who doesn't?)

But if a team is leading the league in passing but can't control the clock or convert a 3rd and 1 - they aren't winning a SB

If a team leads the league in rushing but can't convert a 3rd and 7 - they aren't winning a SB

I think as always the focus should be on good balance, a good ratio of run/pass that leads to greater time of possession and to remember as I paraphrase tomlin - we count lombardis in the trophy case, not rushing titles or passing titles.

I bet Dan Marino or Dan Fouts both with they could have run a little more consistently........

The run/pass ratio doesn't generate time of possession, converting first downs is what increases TOP. With so much of the pass game being an extension of the run game you can't really even gauge run/pass ratio.

[whatever]

Weren't we 7-2-1 at one point with all Ben's passing?

[NorthCoast]

Running back success rate is a strong predictor of teams that made the playoffs last season. 90% of teams with RB success rates around 50% were in the playoffs. WR success rate was less predictive of playoff bound teams:

Success Rates: Using success rates to measure efficiency is superior to traditional yards per play (per pass or per rush) because it adds a layer of context to the play: the down and distance to go. Example: a 10 yard run on 3rd and 26 will add 10 yards/carry to a running back's average. But that play resulted in 4th and 16 and thus, an unsuccessful attempt to convert a first down (and graded as an unsuccessful play). Success rate is calculated in this manner: A play is successful when it gains at least 40% of yards-to-go on first down, 60% of yards-to-go on second down and 100% of yards-to-go on third or fourth down.

[Starlifter]

The run/pass ratio doesn't generate time of possession, converting first downs is what increases TOP. With so much of the pass game being an extension of the run game you can't really even gauge run/pass ratio.

I agree the goal is TOP - but I think there's value in having a balanced attack.

[Northern_Blitz]

Running back success rate is a strong predictor of teams that made the playoffs last season. 90% of teams with RB success rates around 50% were in the playoffs. WR success rate was less predictive of playoff bound teams:

Success Rates: Using success rates to measure efficiency is superior to traditional yards per play (per pass or per rush) because it adds a layer of context to the play: the down and distance to go. Example: a 10 yard run on 3rd and 26 will add 10 yards/carry to a running back's average. But that play resulted in 4th and 16 and thus, an unsuccessful attempt to convert a first down (and graded as an unsuccessful play). Success rate is calculated in this manner: A play is successful when it gains at least 40% of yards-to-go on first down, 60% of yards-to-go on second down and 100% of yards-to-go on third or fourth down.

Cool finding. Thanks

[Mr.wizard]

I agree the goal is TOP - but I think there's value in having a balanced attack.

I think you have to be able to do both in order to attack the weaknesses of different teams, but I don't see any particular value in balance.

[Starlifter]

I think you have to be able to do both in order to attack the weaknesses of different teams, but I don't see any particular value in balance.

within the limitations of a single game - perhaps. I agree if an opponent can't defend the pass and you can light them up, go for it. same for if they can't stop the run. But looking at a team through the lens of an entire season, I still believe a balanced offense is an indicator the team is strong in both areas and can exploit any weaknesses of the defense.

[Steel Maniac]

Running back success rate is a strong predictor of teams that made the playoffs last season. 90% of teams with RB success rates around 50% were in the playoffs. WR success rate was less predictive of playoff bound teams:

Success Rates: Using success rates to measure efficiency is superior to traditional yards per play (per pass or per rush) because it adds a layer of context to the play: the down and distance to go. Example: a 10 yard run on 3rd and 26 will add 10 yards/carry to a running back's average. But that play resulted in 4th and 16 and thus, an unsuccessful attempt to convert a first down (and graded as an unsuccessful play). Success rate is calculated in this manner: A play is successful when it gains at least 40% of yards-to-go on first down, 60% of yards-to-go on second down and 100% of yards-to-go on third or fourth down.

Outstanding find. Really has me fired up to get our running game going.

[Northern_Blitz]

Outstanding find. Really has me fired up to get our running game going.

Unfortunately, I think we've had below average success rates for several years.

Hopefully it gets better this season.

[Steel Maniac]

My sole focus is on the O-line. That's the key to our season.

[Mr.wizard]

With Ben back I really like how this team is built, O-line is good, QB is good,receviers are good, nice mix of running backs and TE's, defense is really good. This may turn out to be one of our best constructed teams top to bottom.