A Positive View of they Draft

[Starlifter]

I think you are right that it can work both ways.

But i think it's much more likely to work with talent overcoming coaching than the other way around. I think BB is the only head coach to consistently go the other way... And maybe that's because he had the GOAT QB playing significantly below market value.

I think it's also hard to evaluate them separately sometimes. Was Butler bad at designing secondary play 2 years ago, or was the problem that we dropped more INTs than any other team in the league?

I also think the skill set for being a good HC isn't the same for being a good OC /DC. But I may be biased based on how the Steelers have had a ton of success looking for leaders that can work with good coordinators instead of X/O guys (who I tend to think have less humility)

I agree with you that if I had to make a choice - I'll take great talent over great coaching.

But I'm a spoiled Steelers fan. I want, expect and demand both.........

[NorthCoast]

If a coach has multiple playoffs and SB appearances over a long span of time you must conclude it's the coaching because players come and go, especially in these days of free agency.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

JK!........couldn't help myself.....

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I'm gonna say nay to this take. Roethlisberger will go down as one of the most sacked QBs in the game. Arians playcalling was a part of that. And we can speculate if it continued we'd possibly be talking up Rudolph as the starting QB...
Oh wait,... we did that last season.

then, you missed my point...so, lemme quote... ME... lol

I'd rather have had 2 more SB appearances and Ben retire, battered and successful in 2016 than to have 10 years of "bleh"

i don't disagree that he was gonna be batter more... but, that team, won more.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

So, you have faith in the coordinators we have?

nope. i don't... not saying necessarily the CURRENT coordinators. though the D (with a lot more talent) was solid last year. the offense, i still worry about.

[Captain Lemming]

then, you missed my point...so, lemme quote... ME... lol



i don't disagree that he was gonna be batter more... but, that team, won more.

Not because of an OC that led the 20th ranked offense with a QB throwing 17 TDs 15 interceptions and sacked 46 times.

We scored ONE offensive touchdown in winning the AFC championship game against the Ravens.
Our offense was also outscored by the Cardinals offense in the SB. JH picks 7 covers the difference in winning and losing. It was more likely a 14 or at least a 10 point swing as it both scored and prevented a score, which would have been insurmountable.

Not only was Lebeaus defense number one...we scored non-offensive touchdowns in EVERY postseason game that season.

Ben throws 5 TDs we score 6 and lose to the Jags and we long for an offense that failed to score NEAR that in the championship game and SB COMBINED in 2008?
We scored 13 and 20 offensive points in those 2 games in 2008. FORTY TWO in losing to the Jaguars two years ago.

How good does an offense need to be when your defense is giving up 13.9? 20th offense gets you to 12-4.

We “won more” because of defense PERIOD. It isn’t even close to debatable.

[whisper]

nope. i don't... not saying necessarily the CURRENT coordinators. though the D (with a lot more talent) was solid last year. the offense, i still worry about.

In 2018 Ben had more passing yards than ANYONE in the NFL. I think we will be just fine, if Ben is.

[Northern_Blitz]

In 2018 Ben had more passing yards than ANYONE in the NFL. I think we will be just fine, if Ben is.

This.

Even if he's just average we should make the playoffs and our D should at least give us a change against anyone.

If he's where he was 2 years ago, I think we'll be one of the best teams in the conference (although the Rats should also be good next year).

[hawaiiansteel]

I think we'll be one of the best teams in the conference (although the Rats should also be good next year).

haven't you heard, Lamar Jackson is going to suck next season even worse than he did last year

[feltdizz]

In 2018 Ben had more passing yards than ANYONE in the NFL. I think we will be just fine, if Ben is.

2018 was a looong time ago.

[whisper]

This.

Even if he's just average we should make the playoffs and our D should at least give us a change against anyone.

If he's where he was 2 years ago, I think we'll be one of the best teams in the conference (although the Rats should also be good next year).

I got beat up when I predicted Ravens were gonna be real good in 2019. They definitely will be in 2020. Their draft was sick. But a healthy Ben and D can beat them.

[whisper]

2018 was a looong time ago.

Seems like 10 years ago.

[Disco1981]

In 2018 Ben had more passing yards than ANYONE in the NFL. I think we will be just fine, if Ben is.

And interceptions

[Sugar]

And interceptions

And completions. And Attempts. He also had more than twice as many TD's (34) as Int's (16).

[feltdizz]

I got beat up when I predicted Ravens were gonna be real good in 2019. They definitely will be in 2020. Their draft was sick. But a healthy Ben and D can beat them.

yeah.. I know we want the Ravens to be bad but there was a lot of time spent on here by someone claiming the Ravens made a huge mistake by drafting Lamar.

All he’s done is gone 21 and 3 or some insane record to start his career. Any day now tho, he’s going to fail.

I think a better argument is we need Ben back, he is the best chance to beat the Rats right now.

our D played inspired ball the first time we faced them but last game we were spent. You have to sustain drives to beat that team.