Washington Wants Tomlin

[feltdizz]

Really? He was a main cause of the dumpster fire of the team last year and you think he deserved an extension without seeing if he could turn it around?

untimely turnovers, a few terrible penalties (NO game)

and some ridiculous missed FG’s by our kicker.

[feltdizz]

Anyone think it’s odd for an owner to name a current head coach as a prospect?

[whatever]

it’s because the NFL has a serious problem with hiring Black coaches even though the league is 65% Black.

The tired argument was “if a coach was good enough he would find a way to get hired regardless of race”


but far too often NFL owners had their guy before they even announced they were looking for a new HC.

When you add the amount of white HC’s who were terrible and still got another shot before Black head coaches it pretty much let you know there was a good ole boys club going on.

it’s also been said time and time again Rivera was interviewed and fulfilled the rule because he is Latino.

as far as loving Tomlin. It’s kinda crazy to fathom some Steeler fans will irrationally love a coach or player? Really?

That’s how fandom works. Some love, some hate.. and some do it rationally and irrationally.

U.S. population is 13 % black. So should only 13% of the NFL players and coaches should be black?
Where was the outcry when Dungy 'good ol boy-ed' Caldwell be given the HC job?

[whatever]

He wasnt the main cause, and he got an extension because he is a good coach. After 13 years the Steelers know what Mike Tomlin is about, get over it.

I know what Tomlin is too and I'll continue to remind you often. so get over that.

[Oviedo]

I know what Tomlin is too and I'll continue to remind you often. so get over that.

When you own the team what "you know" will matter. Until then you know nothing and just have an opinion like the rest of us

[whatever]

When you own the team what "you know" will matter. Until then you know nothing and just have an opinion like the rest of us

Exactly, just like you know nothing.

[Obviously]

This opinion is dumb. Rooney rule requires that you INTERVIEW a minority, not HIRE them. They did that. If you think they hired him because he's black, well... that would be dumb of them. They have a franchise to run and a lot of money on the line and why would you risk that?

You've heard him speak. He got in there and sold himself better than any other person did. Think of how "charming/motivating" he sounded to you the first few times you heard him give his own coach speak.

He's lasted this long because they're the 2nd best team during the era of Tom Brady (the GOAT @ QB), with a couple of SB appearances, a SB win, a few AFCN championships...

I do find it peculiar that many of the same people who think he was hired "because" of the Rooney Rule also have an irrational dislike for him and want him fired. Peculiar

I didn't like the hire from day one. It seemed very fishy to me. He only succeeded the first 4 years because of the roster he was handled. He lasted this long because he has a franchise QB and over the top liberal owners. Looking back now anybody could have won with that team and the Rooney's knew it. That's why they hired an inexperienced black coach. It looked good for them and the rule. Take away the roster and the franchise QB and you have the true Tomlin head coach. 1-4

[Obviously]

He wasnt the main cause, and he got an extension because he is a good coach. After 13 years the Steelers know what Mike Tomlin is about, get over it.

Tomlin = Rooney Rule
8-8 = Successful season.

[Mr.wizard]

Tomlin = Rooney Rule
8-8 = Successful season.

Mike Tomlin = one of the best winning percentages of all time

Overall Record= 134-77-1

Thanks for Playing

[steelz09]

Yep.

Rooney Rule arguments ignore all the facts and probably tell us something about the person making them.

That's retarded. If you don't think the Rooney Rule had an impact on the Steelers hiring a minority then you are beyond ignorant. I'm not saying that Tomlin wasn't the best guy for the job at the time but that's besides the point. He very well could have been the best guy. We had a franchise QB, very talented defense and a strong offense. We just needed a rah rah guy to to rally the troops, spit out cliches and help us get over the finish line.

Back on topic, the Pittsburgh Steelers organization would have felt pressure by the "talking heads" that would say.... "Oh, the organization that created the Rooney Rule didn't hire a minority". It doesn't matter that the rule is technically only about interviewing. People are already complaining that they think "interviewing" isn't enough and people are just doing it as a technicality to meet the Rooney Rule requirement. I can see both sides of it. I think teams do that all the time. They already know who they want and they are just interviewing others to meet the hiring process requirements. In that case, the Rooney Rule doesn't do a bit damn of good if they get interviewed but never hired. The media talking heads want to make hiring a % of minorities a requirement or at least that's the way it's heading. That's called affirmative action. Need proof?

When the minority head coach count gets low and a new HC is hired and it's not a minority, it's brought up like clockwork by media. Talk about stirring the pot?!? Right wrong or indifferent. It's just the way it is..... Don't be a sheep or ignorant and don't start throwing accusations about people that disagree with your opinion. I won't allow it. I've already received many complaints about that over the years which is why ppl have said, they've been afraid to post their thoughts because of accusations like that being tossed around. People throw that $hit out there all the time trying to win some stupid argument. People use accusations like that when they are incapable of winning an argument. You don't make accusations like that. I have no time for it. Please refrain from doing that.

[Northern_Blitz]

That's retarded. If you don't think the Rooney Rule had an impact on the Steelers hiring a minority then you are beyond ignorant. I'm not saying that Tomlin wasn't the best guy for the job at the time but that's besides the point. He very well could have been the best guy. We had a franchise QB, very talented defense and a strong offense. We just needed a rah rah guy to to rally the troops, spit out cliches and help us get over the finish line.

Back on topic, the Pittsburgh Steelers organization would have felt pressure by the "talking heads" that would say.... "Oh, the organization that created the Rooney Rule didn't hire a minority". It doesn't matter that the rule is technically only about interviewing. People are already complaining that they think "interviewing" isn't enough and people are just doing it as a technicality to meet the Rooney Rule requirement. I can see both sides of it. I think teams do that all the time. They already know who they want and they are just interviewing others to meet the hiring process requirements. In that case, the Rooney Rule doesn't do a bit damn of good if they get interviewed but never hired. The media talking heads want to make hiring a % of minorities a requirement or at least that's the way it's heading. That's called affirmative action. Need proof?

When the minority head coach count gets low and a new HC is hired and it's not a minority, it's brought up like clockwork by media. Talk about stirring the pot?!? Right wrong or indifferent. It's just the way it is..... Don't be a sheep or ignorant and don't start throwing accusations about people that disagree with your opinion. I won't allow it. I've already received many complaints about that over the years which is why ppl have said, they've been afraid to post their thoughts because of accusations like that being tossed around. People throw that $hit out there all the time trying to win some stupid argument. People use accusations like that when they are incapable of winning an argument. You don't make accusations like that. I have no time for it. Please refrain from doing that.

History shows that he was clearly the best candidate of the three they were considering. Especially when the other candidate in the top 2 was out of football in like 2 years and never considered for anything higher than position coach.

Complaining about it a decade and a half later after he's been very successful is absurd.

I think lots of people anchored on the Rooney Rule thing. And because they never reevaluate that opinion with the data, they have to force bad arguments like Cowher's players, regular season wins don't matter, etc.

And the argument in question here wasn't that he was hired because of the rule, it was that they were keeping him because of the rule. This is again absurd (or retarded if you prefer).

[Oviedo]

History shows that he was clearly the best candidate of the three they were considering. Especially when the other candidate in the top 2 was out of football in like 2 years and never considered for anything higher than position coach.

Complaining about it a decade and a half later after he's been very successful is absurd.

I think lots of people anchored on the Rooney Rule thing. And because they never reevaluate that opinion with the data, they have to force bad arguments like Cowher's players, regular season wins don't matter, etc.

And the argument in question here wasn't that he was hired because of the rule, it was that they were keeping him because of the rule. This is again absurd (or retarded if you prefer).

Truth!!!!

How any other coach in the league could compile the second highest winning percentage in the NFL over the duration of his tenure and you then have "fans" of that team 15 years later say he was a "token hire" because of race is what is actually retarded. Look at who they passed on...two complete failures in Whisenhunt and Grimm. Can anyone say either would have been a better choice? If you believe so, speak now or forever hold your tongue on this subject.

[whatever]

History shows that he was clearly the best candidate of the three they were considering. Especially when the other candidate in the top 2 was out of football in like 2 years and never considered for anything higher than position coach.

Complaining about it a decade and a half later after he's been very successful is absurd.

I think lots of people anchored on the Rooney Rule thing. And because they never reevaluate that opinion with the data, they have to force bad arguments like Cowher's players, regular season wins don't matter, etc.

And the argument in question here wasn't that he was hired because of the rule, it was that they were keeping him because of the rule. This is again absurd (or retarded if you prefer).

So the Rooney's could see into the future?
They are awesome.

[Northern_Blitz]

That's retarded. If you don't think the Rooney Rule had an impact on the Steelers hiring a minority then you are beyond ignorant. I'm not saying that Tomlin wasn't the best guy for the job at the time but that's besides the point. He very well could have been the best guy. We had a franchise QB, very talented defense and a strong offense. We just needed a rah rah guy to to rally the troops, spit out cliches and help us get over the finish line.

Back on topic, the Pittsburgh Steelers organization would have felt pressure by the "talking heads" that would say.... "Oh, the organization that created the Rooney Rule didn't hire a minority". It doesn't matter that the rule is technically only about interviewing. People are already complaining that they think "interviewing" isn't enough and people are just doing it as a technicality to meet the Rooney Rule requirement. I can see both sides of it. I think teams do that all the time. They already know who they want and they are just interviewing others to meet the hiring process requirements. In that case, the Rooney Rule doesn't do a bit damn of good if they get interviewed but never hired. The media talking heads want to make hiring a % of minorities a requirement or at least that's the way it's heading. That's called affirmative action. Need proof?

When the minority head coach count gets low and a new HC is hired and it's not a minority, it's brought up like clockwork by media. Talk about stirring the pot?!? Right wrong or indifferent. It's just the way it is..... Don't be a sheep or ignorant and don't start throwing accusations about people that disagree with your opinion. I won't allow it. I've already received many complaints about that over the years which is why ppl have said, they've been afraid to post their thoughts because of accusations like that being tossed around. People throw that $hit out there all the time trying to win some stupid argument. People use accusations like that when they are incapable of winning an argument. You don't make accusations like that. I have no time for it. Please refrain from doing that.

What accusation do you think I was making?

As I explained in the post right above this one, the "accusation" I was making was that some people don't revisit their initial emotional reaction despite receiving lots of data saying it was wrong.

I thought that was clear from the "ignore all the facts" part of my post.

[Mick'sTeam]

History shows that he was clearly the best candidate of the three they were considering. Especially when the other candidate in the top 2 was out of football in like 2 years and never considered for anything higher than position coach.

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Or maybe that history simply shows that one coach was placed in a much better situation than the others as much as it proves the correct choice was made? Just playing devils advocate. Whisenhunt was very successful in Arizona with a franchise QB in Warner, but struggled with the likes of Leinart and others who proved to not be at that level. Same with his brief stint in TN with Mettenberg and then rookie Mariotta.

The situation of those coaches can't be ignored when declaring one a better coach over the others. I'm not sure any coach could succeed where Whiz struggled, including Tomlin.