Fire Mike Tomlin

[Northern_Blitz]

Agreed.
THIS CALL makes the above point clear. But before this call?

There was no HISTORY to make this as obvious as you say.

I don't care if Tomlin was on the committee. We have no basis for saying he should have known.

Heck refs are often unsure of how to implement new rules, and it takes time for them to get on the same page.

It is nearly universally considered the wrong call. It is not hard to imagine it might get overturned. We NOW KNOW even the most incidental contact won't be overturned.

If this happens next week, you got a point. As it was...there is no basis to be this critical as though it was obvious.

I think you're right that he really had little idea if the call would be successful or not.

But I think moving forward (and maybe even before that), challenging PI should be treated like challenging the spot of a ball. You're basically always going to lose unless there is absolutely no way that the original call was super blatantly wrong. For PI, that probably means something like no contact at all (or in the case of NO last year, huge contact with no call).

Bottom line is that challenging penalties is a stupid idea and should be scrapped (so is challenging for penalties).

[BURGH86STEEL]

Again coaches have a 50/50 shot of getting the PI call to their favor.

I think people are being overly critical. When is the right time to challenge a call? What if a coach never needs to challenge another call the entire game? What's the point of saving a challenges for the unknown future?

Kind of funny. Fans have the benefit of hindsight or what they believe is the "right type" of play challenge and "right time" to challenge a play. Some people must be able to see into the future.

What's most important is coaches have to coach in the moment and make decisions in seconds.

I don't ever recall a time when a coaching challenge loss a team a game. It's really speculation because no one knows how a game would play out except for the people that can see into the future. har har har.

[Oh wow]

It gives people a reason to be upset at Tomlin for the rest of the game.

Even though we won last game... he could still do it in the future and that’s why it was a terrible decision.

[BURGH86STEEL]

It gives people a reason to be upset at Tomlin for the rest of the game.

Even though we won last game... he could still do it in the future and that’s why it was a terrible decision.

A reason to be upset with him the rest of his coaching career with the Steelers. Some people will point back to the questionable coaching decisions in an effort to define his career. They will conveniently forget about the correct decisions, wins, ect. Can't please everyone.

[Buzz]

Agreed.
THIS CALL makes the above point clear. But before this call?

There was no HISTORY to make this as obvious as you say.

Wrong. All season long, on PI reviews, NFL officials have stayed with the call on the field, unless it was absolutely incontrovertible.

[NorthCoast]

again coaches have a 50/50 shot of getting the pi call to their favor.

Sorry 'Burgh, according to this info, it's not quite 50/50 odds:

How did the new rule work during the preseason?

Things went relatively smoothly during the preseason, quelling some concerns. There were 54 interference-related replay reviews in the 65 preseason games leaguewide. The on-field call (or non-call) was allowed to stand 47 of those 54 times, or 87 percent of the time. All seven reversals, it should be noted, came when pass interference was not called on the field and then was assessed via the replay review. There were no reversals on the 15 replay reviews when interference was called by the on-field officials.
There was one unsuccessful interference-related replay challenge during Thursday night’s NFL regular season opener in Chicago, made by Packers Coach Matt LaFleur. He challenged an interference non-call, contending that Bears wide receiver Taylor Gabriel pushed off before making a catch and should have been called for offensive pass interference. But after replays showed that it was the lightest of pushes by Gabriel, the on-field non-call was allowed to stand

The standard the league settled on for overturning a pass interference call or non-call was whether “clear and obvious visual evidence” shows that a defender did something to “significantly hinder” the receiver. Almost immediately, it became clear that “clear and obvious” was neither clear nor obvious (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/19/revised-pass-interference-rules-still-could-end-up-being-a-mess/). Six weeks before the preseason, the definition had still not been finalized (https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/20/pass-interference-replay-rule-scott-green-officiating-union-executive-director). Riveron, the senior vp of officiating, showed examples of potential pass interference plays to a room of nfl network media members and asked them to vote on whether it was a penalty or not. The room was split on almost all of the plays (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/24/rich-eisen-nfl-pass-interference-replay-fmia-peter-king/). In that same meeting, riveron said that one of the biggest plays of super bowl liii would have been overturned and a retroactive pass interference penalty would have been called on patriots cornerback stephon gilmore for hindering rams receiver brandin cooks. That would have given the rams the ball inside the 5-yard line down 10-3 with 4:24 remaining, changing the course of the game

The incorrect call by the official on OPI against the Steelers was that he ignored the "significantly hinder" requirement.

[Oh wow]

I really have no problem with trying to get a call overturned. I rather try to get a call overturned than wait for the next call when you don’t know if it will ever come.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Sorry 'Burgh, according to this info, it's not quite 50/50 odds:





The incorrect call by the official on OPI against the Steelers was that he ignored the "significantly hinder" requirement.

Accounting for the human element of "judgement" it is a 50/50 shot. Anyone can see the call for or against depending on one's perspective. That's why I said 50/50 shot.

I am not a fan of the PI review. It was an overreaction to a missed call. Just let the call stand as called on the field and live with the repercussions.

[whatever]

Accounting for the human element of "judgement" it is a 50/50 shot. Anyone can see the call for or against depending on one's perspective. That's why I said 50/50 shot.

I am not a fan of the PI review. It was an overreaction to a missed call. Just let the call stand as called on the field and live with the repercussions.

That's easy to say now but if the Steelers got f'ed like the saints did, you would want that challenge.

[BURGH86STEEL]

That's easy to say now but if the Steelers got f'ed like the saints did, you would want that challenge.

No. I think it's a terrible rule.

The Steelers were screwed by terrible calls in the past. Sometimes the Steelers were beneficiaries of calls in the past. That's life. You live with it and move on.

[NJ-STEELER]

You cant possibly weigh the positives and negatives because at that point you have no idea gow the game is going to go. You cant coach the current drive preparing for a hypothetical drive that might occur at the end of the game. A drive in the 2nd quarter could effect the outcome of the game as much or more than a 4th quarter drive. I hope he does it again, i hope he coaches every drive as if it is going to decide the game, because it might.

you are out of your mind

the challenges are very valuable, you only get 2 a game.
to challenge a call that early for a 10 yard difference is assinine

saying you don't have the luxury to look ahead in the game is idiotic. that's exactly whata head coach should do.
instead we got the typical "cheerleader" response from the head coach that Terry talked about. He needs to take the emotional aspect of the game away when their making these decisions
every one on the sidelines is screaming it was a bad call as well as every steeler fan watching it. That doesn't mean he should go and challange it.
its his job to determine if the call has a chance to be reversed and the risk/reward of using it at that point of the game.

[NJ-STEELER]

People here complain about anything Tomlin does...say it isn't true! Tomlin could win the next two Super Bowls and the same people would complain about what he wore during the game

I actual think he coached a decent game and did a good job with the different game plan on offense.
see, I can call a spade a spade.

but, you guys, his backers, can't even admit wasting a challenge on a difference of 10 yards is a mistake

now, whose the one with the Biased opinion?

[NJ-STEELER]

At the time I said it was a bad call but would not be overturned. Similar types of issues in the Thursday nighter this week. Only the completely phantom calls will be overturned.

again, I fail to see why this issue is so hard to get through with these guys. If you watch more then just 1 stillerss game a week, you hear this topic discussed ALL the time.
there was little chance of that getting overturned. the former official in the booth said it as well.

sometimes you just have to let a bad call be a ball call and not compound the mistake.

the challenge was not for a possible scoring pay, or possible turnover, or even a 1st down.

it was for a difference of a down and 10 yards
WTF !!!

[Northern_Blitz]

Again coaches have a 50/50 shot of getting the PI call to their favor.

I think people are being overly critical. When is the right time to challenge a call? What if a coach never needs to challenge another call the entire game? What's the point of saving a challenges for the unknown future?

Kind of funny. Fans have the benefit of hindsight or what they believe is the "right type" of play challenge and "right time" to challenge a play. Some people must be able to see into the future.

What's most important is coaches have to coach in the moment and make decisions in seconds.

I don't ever recall a time when a coaching challenge loss a team a game. It's really speculation because no one knows how a game would play out except for the people that can see into the future. har har har.

I agree with the idea that it's probably way harder for coaches to make real time decisions than it is for us to do in Madden.

I also don't think coaches challenges are especially important (like many 1st half time outs), so I don't even really care that much if we end up "wasting them".

[Northern_Blitz]

That's easy to say now but if the Steelers got f'ed like the saints did, you would want that challenge.

The Steelers did get screwed like the Saints last year, just not in a conference championship game.

The problem with the Saints game was that the officiating was horrible, not that the play couldn't be challenged.

I guess I assume that the play would have been overturned, but who really knows. I think the history of replay shows that it doesn't really make people feel like the game gets officiated more accurately.