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To the extent Tomlin contributes to the draft, he shares responsibility with Colbert, but the problem with the secondary is player acquisition period.
People wanna talk “Cowhers players?” Let’s do that.
Cowhers players were BETTER players under Tomlin PARTICULARLY the secondary players.sigpic
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No question, but i think the dip in secondary play is not exclusive to the Steelers, the rule changes and the evolution of the pass game and personnel are big factors. The type of running backs and tight ends that are part of the pass offenses put todays secondaries at a severe disadvantage.Comment
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A very typical 2007 Steelers Preseason outlook Tomlins first season with ”Cowhers players”
Preseason rank:
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Mike Tomlin is just 34 years old and is entering his first year as a head coach in the NFL. He has quite an act to follow, stepping in after the position was manned for 37 years by just 2 men; Chuck Noll and Bill Cowher. The Steelers also lost both of their top assistant coaches in Russ Grim and Ken Whisenhunt to other jobs.
Tomlin's first order of business was cutting their emotional leader, linebacker Joey Porter. I really question that move, as the Steelers only went on to draft a linebacker in the first round. Granted, Lawrence Timmons is a solid player, but Porter was a huge asset to the Steelers.
All-pro guard Alan Faneca is on the fence and reportedly wants out. If they lose him, it'd be a huge blow to that offense considering they already lost Jeff Harting to retirement. They have stood pat for the most part this off-season, a team that just won a Super Bowl and then went 8-8, I don't know if that's a good thing.
Best add: Lawrence Timmons LB
Worst loss: Joey Porter LB
Outlook: 8-8. Last year was an aberration for Roethlisberger, but like the Jaguars, will have a tough time against the AFC elite.Last edited by Captain Lemming; 09-30-2019, 07:44 AM.sigpic
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Nah, not legit excuses for recent struggles. I use “rank” for comparisons of success which eliminates league wide trends.
Steelers had the number 1 defense in 2010 for example which might have given up more than a 70s defense that ranked 5th.
There is no denying our secondary play has declined as its effectiveness relative to the rest of the league has clearly dropped.sigpic
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I know you've been stressing the importance of secondary play for a long time, so I thought you might appreciate seeing this article from PFF:
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It's interesting because I think the seconday may be becoming a strength of the team.
It looks like Fitz and Nelson were both good gets. If Haden can hold off the decline till the end of his contract I think our secondary can be pretty good.
Maybe I'm just deluding myself, but it looks like we're making the effort to turn a weakness to a strength.Comment
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This was an interesting read.
My take on it was that (1) having good success against the pass leads to good defensive success, but (2) it's hard to predict whether you'll have good success against the past looking into the future. So, defending the pass is an important skill but it's not necessarily a repeatable skill.
Sounds kind of like actively managed mutual funds to me. You know every year some percentage of actively managed funds are going to beat the benchmark. Unfortunately, knowing who beat the benchmark last year doesn't help you pick a fund because beating the benchmark isn't a repeatable skill.Comment
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~Props to AS, my sig Consigliere~
"Even the strongest man needs friends.... Politics is knowing when to pull the trigger."
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Great article that make the point well (you know you are not supposed to share Belichicks most underrated success strategy)
I will say it again, elite QB plus elite secondary play almost a guaranteed SB winner.
That is why I don’t care what Mahomes does, your team is going to win it again.
And while Brady is GOAT...,,,,right now? Mahomes is better.
Give Mahomes Chiefs YOUR secondary and they would DESTROY you.
I guarantee you that if BB coached the chiefs he would not turn his nose up at Jalen Ramsey like they did.
They ain’t beating you unless you have major secondary injuries.sigpic
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Actually, I only believe Tomlin had direct coaching related with Ike’s improvement. He said at the time Ike was going to his project. I don’t think he acts like a secondary coach generally. It is not his job.
My point in naming others on those great defenses is if it is HIS COACHING responsible for the recent struggles.....why did the entire secondary IMPROVE with Cowhers guys?
I credit Tomlin for two things specifically in the secondary.
1. Fixing Ike
2. Between him and Lebeau, schematically, the way they began using Ike to lock down one guy in a mostly zone scheme.Last edited by Captain Lemming; 09-30-2019, 10:39 AM.sigpic
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