Rooney Brown meeting

[Steel Maniac]

I remember well, when Cowher was coach. There were plenty of people b1tching and moaning about all his failures in the playoffs, especially AFCC games. Crash, in particular, was adamant that we'd never win a Super Bowl with Cowher as coach. And then we did.

We're spoiled with 6 rings. The standard and expectations are very high. AND we want to have the kind of recent success that the cheaters have. And that makes our patience with Tomlin worse than with previous coaches. To some extent, it's unrealistic.

That said, I'm extremely disappointed with last season. It was an epic failure in so many ways and the Steelers have become a bit of a laughing stock because of everything that transpired. But I still maintain that Tomlin has earned the chance to right the ship. I wouldn't give him a huge leash but I don't ever want to become a team like the Redskins, who jettison coaches every few years.

And again, Cowher never EVER, had a franchise QB until he got Ben. And after he got Ben, what happened?? He won a Super Bowl. You can not say Cowher and Tomlin are the same because Cowher only had a franchise QB for 3 years out of his entire tenure; Tomlin has had a franchise QB his entire head coaching career and hasn't gotten the job done unless he had Cowhers coaches/ players.

[Steel Maniac]

I remember well, when Cowher was coach. There were plenty of people b1tching and moaning about all his failures in the playoffs, especially AFCC games. Crash, in particular, was adamant that we'd never win a Super Bowl with Cowher as coach. And then we did.

We're spoiled with 6 rings. The standard and expectations are very high. AND we want to have the kind of recent success that the cheaters have. And that makes our patience with Tomlin worse than with previous coaches. To some extent, it's unrealistic.

That said, I'm extremely disappointed with last season. It was an epic failure in so many ways and the Steelers have become a bit of a laughing stock because of everything that transpired. But I still maintain that Tomlin has earned the chance to right the ship. I wouldn't give him a huge leash but I don't ever want to become a team like the Redskins, who jettison coaches every few years.

We won't become like the Redskins; we have good management and good ownership. That's why I'm more then confident that we'll ultimately find our next great coach.

You see, some folks around here talk about our history and how we operate; yet, they are not ready to bank on our history or management when it comes to moving forward and finding our next great coach. Then your not really that confident in this organization as you profess. I believe in Rooney and Colbert in that they can find our next great coach...........I'm not scared and wanting to hold on to something that clearly doesn't work anymore in Tomlin.

I believe in Colbert; I believe in Rooney. I believe in Steeler management.

[Captain Lemming]

And Captain, since your willing to bet squid...TAKE MY BET!!!

Here's the bet...

I bet you that we don't win another Super Bowl with Tomlin as our head coach.

If we do win a Super Bowl with Tomlin as head coach, then I disappear for a year.
If we don't win a Super Bowl with Tomlin as head coach, then you disappear for a year.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT BET?

That is funny.
How does this work, say Tomlin is coach for another decade......we gonna still be at this?
If you suspect he will be gone in the near future, that only happens if we miss another playoff.

Cant cash in if he goes back to the playoffs. I doubt he gets fired any time soon if he does.

[Eich]

And again, Cowher never EVER, had a franchise QB until he got Ben. And after he got Ben, what happened?? He won a Super Bowl. You can not say Cowher and Tomlin are the same because Cowher only had a franchise QB for 3 years out of his entire tenure; Tomlin has had a franchise QB his entire head coaching career and hasn't gotten the job done unless he had Cowhers coaches/ players.

And THAT was Cowher's FAULT!!! He never really wanted a true Franchise QB. He didn't even want Ben.

And the Cowher's players argument is weak. Cowher couldn't do much with Cowher's players after the 1 Super Bowl.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I believe in Colbert; I believe in Rooney. I believe in Steeler management.

I credit you for this. What I don't understand are people who claim to be the biggest Steeler fans in the world, but then just spend all of their time hating on the ownership, the front office, coaching staff, and the players...they are all incompetent fools. Still trying to figure out what exactly what this type of person likes about the team? Their uniform colors?

[Steel Maniac]

That is funny.
How does this work, say Tomlin is coach for another decade......we gonna still be at this?
If you suspect he will be gone in the near future, that only happens if we miss another playoff.

Cant cash in if he goes back to the playoffs. I doubt he gets fired any time soon if he does.

Do you want to make the bet or not. It's pretty simple and straight forward. If Tomlin is here another decade, then you've got a decade to win. If he's fired then automatically, you lose.

Do you want to Bet? I don't think you do because you don't really believe in Tomlin; and I don't blame you. For all the guys on this site who supposedly stand behind Tomlin, none would take this bet. Because they really know their going to lose.

Cap, I'm not calling you a Tomlin lover thou; You've been straight down the middle for the most part. But ANY of you real Tomlin lovers who've been after me about Tomlin, I'm calling you out now; If you believe so much in Tomlin, let's make the bet.

[Steel Maniac]

And THAT was Cowher's FAULT!!! He never really wanted a true Franchise QB. He didn't even want Ben.

And the Cowher's players argument is weak. Cowher couldn't do much with Cowher's players after the 1 Super Bowl.

Dude, that's not even the point. The point is, he didn't have a franchise QB except for 3 years. Tomlin has had a franchise QB for 12 years. If Cowher would have attempted to use numerous first round picks on a franchise QB as you suggested, he would have missed on most of them and not made the teams he did end up making.

Also, Cowher would have been in another Super Bowl ; remember our 15-1 season? Remember when we played the Patriots for the AFC championship and we lost because the Patriots were taping our practices?? At the end of the game Hines Ward said, " It seemed like they knew what we were going to do before we ran the play." And then the Patriots got busted a year & a half later for secretly taping other teams practices.

That wasn't Cowher's fault.

[Oviedo]

I credit you for this. What I don't understand are people who claim to be the biggest Steeler fans in the world, but then just spend all of their time hating on the ownership, the front office, coaching staff, and the players...they are all incompetent fools. Still trying to figure out what exactly what this type of person likes about the team? Their uniform colors?

Inquiring minds do want to now!!!!!!! How can the owner and GM be so ignorant on their knowledge of the Head Coach yet La Z Boy football experts know so much?????

[RuthlessBurgher]

If Cowher would have attempted to use numerous first round picks on a franchise QB as you suggested, he would have missed on most of them and not made the teams he did end up making.

When the hell did anyone ever even remotely suggest that Cowher should have attempted to use numerous first round picks on a franchise QB?

It would appear that you are just completely manufacturing something that no one ever actually said, and then randomly attributing it to another poster as if they said it, as if were true.

When have you ever done that before?

[Steel Maniac]

When the hell did anyone ever even remotely suggest that Cowher should have attempted to use numerous first round picks on a franchise QB?

It would appear that you are just completely manufacturing something that no one ever actually said, and then randomly attributing it to another poster as if they said it, as if were true.

When have you ever done that before?

He suggested that Cowher didn't even want to use the pick they did to get Ben. Basically, he was insinuating that all those years Cowher didn't want to go after a franchise QB; which is usually done with a first round draft pick.

[Steel Maniac]

Inquiring minds do want to now!!!!!!! How can the owner and GM be so ignorant on their knowledge of the Head Coach yet La Z Boy football experts know so much?????

Because Oviedo, it happens. You've never heard me say that Colbert wasnt a good GM. He is. And Rooney is one of the best owners in the league. No doubt.

But Colbert has flaws; one flaw is his inability to find legitimate secondary players. But Colbert can find WR's, D-lineman, RB's. And there is no factual reason for me to believe that he can't find our next head coach. But, he is flawed in understanding that Tomlin never established a culture because there was one already in place when he got here..the one done under Cowher's tenure.

After a few years, it became Tomlin's team and it was up to him to re-set the high standard/culture; but he never did. And culturally, we've been declining ever since. And Tomlin walking on to the field to stop Jacoby Jones from scoring in that Ravens game was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen a coach do. Showing total lack of self discipline and a clear sign of deterioration of our high standards.

Sometimes, Oviedo, sometimes, people so close can't see the forest for the trees. That's why Psychologist make money; they are a set of objective, step back eyes that some people use to get a better perspective on things.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Colbert is not the one to decide on head coaching hires. Rooney is.

[squidkid]

I credit you for this. What I don't understand are people who claim to be the biggest Steeler fans in the world, but then just spend all of their time hating on the ownership, the front office, coaching staff, and the players...they are all incompetent fools. Still trying to figure out what exactly what this type of person likes about the team? Their uniform colors?

who are the ones doing this that claim to be the biggest fans in the world?

[squidkid]

This is what people call "moving the goal posts".



"Did you ever predict they would be in the SB" is a very different question from "Did you ever predict their regular season record". For the same reasons that a regular season record is a better metric for team success than playoff success is.

"Did you ever predict their regular season record" is like saying "Did you ever predict they would be competitive".

"Did you ever predict they would be in the SB" is more like saying "Did you ever predict they would be competitive and then flip heads on three consecutive coin tosses".

I've probably predicted regular season records before. And I doubt I've ever been right picking exactly which games they would win and which games they would lose. I'd imagine that's true for just about everyone on here (even if they ended up getting the record right).

And when actual results are different than my prediction, it's because my prediction was bad. Not because reality was wrong.

I don't think I've ever predicted them winning the SB in the Ben era because I always assume they'll play the Pats in the playoffs and I've never had us as the favorites over them. You're free to look through my posts, but I'm pretty sure this is true.

Maybe another way to get at this is for you to say what two other SBs we should have gone to? In what years were we so much better than the team that went to the SB and we were only sunk by errors by the HC?

thanks for the long drawn out spin job.
not sure why you are throwing in 'so much better' tho, but anyways
well, the last 2 years they had the talent to go to the super bowl and probably the year after they won it and the year after the lost it.

[squidkid]

Inquiring minds do want to now!!!!!!! How can the owner and GM be so ignorant on their knowledge of the Head Coach yet La Z Boy football experts know so much?????

hmmm, that is interesting. how do you know so much to claim tomlin is a great coach, motivator, x & o guys, leader, rah rah, talent evaluator, player developer, that cant be replaced by someone better?