Rooney Brown meeting

[squidkid]

I think there were lots of years where I thought we were competitive.

But predicting to make the SB or win the SB is silly IMO. There's too much randomness involved. Ask the Saints

And sadly, I won't believe we can beat the Pat's in the playoffs until we do it.

silly. whats silly about evaluating a HC, players, schedule etc and make a prediction on the season?
every year someone posts, "predict our season record" .................did you ever partake
so you are telling me that you never thought they were good enough to make the super bowl since tomlin has been the HC?

[Steel Maniac]

Squid, he has to say that because Tomlin hasn’t gotten the job done in over a decade.

[squidkid]

Squid, he has to say that because Tomlin hasn’t gotten the job done in over a decade.

i really cant wait for his response.
he tried to weasle his way out with the 'competitive' response...................what the hell does competitive mean?
i gotten believe he painted himself into a corner

[Northern_Blitz]

silly. whats silly about evaluating a HC, players, schedule etc and make a prediction on the season?
every year someone posts, "predict our season record" .................did you ever partake
so you are telling me that you never thought they were good enough to make the super bowl since tomlin has been the HC?

This is what people call "moving the goal posts".



"Did you ever predict they would be in the SB" is a very different question from "Did you ever predict their regular season record". For the same reasons that a regular season record is a better metric for team success than playoff success is.

"Did you ever predict their regular season record" is like saying "Did you ever predict they would be competitive".

"Did you ever predict they would be in the SB" is more like saying "Did you ever predict they would be competitive and then flip heads on three consecutive coin tosses".

I've probably predicted regular season records before. And I doubt I've ever been right picking exactly which games they would win and which games they would lose. I'd imagine that's true for just about everyone on here (even if they ended up getting the record right).

And when actual results are different than my prediction, it's because my prediction was bad. Not because reality was wrong.

I don't think I've ever predicted them winning the SB in the Ben era because I always assume they'll play the Pats in the playoffs and I've never had us as the favorites over them. You're free to look through my posts, but I'm pretty sure this is true.

Maybe another way to get at this is for you to say what two other SBs we should have gone to? In what years were we so much better than the team that went to the SB and we were only sunk by errors by the HC?

[Northern_Blitz]

silly. whats silly about evaluating a HC, players, schedule etc and make a prediction on the season?
every year someone posts, "predict our season record" .................did you ever partake
so you are telling me that you never thought they were good enough to make the super bowl since tomlin has been the HC?

Also I never said it was silly to evaluate a head coach.

I said predicting to go to or win a SB was silly.

I think I could have phrased it better though. Maybe something more like expecting that you're predictions will come true is silly

[Mr.wizard]

silly. whats silly about evaluating a HC, players, schedule etc and make a prediction on the season?
every year someone posts, "predict our season record" .................did you ever partake
so you are telling me that you never thought they were good enough to make the super bowl since tomlin has been the HC?

Well if you look at how many different teams make it to the Superbowl there are plenty of teams "good enough" to make to the superbowl. Do you think Steelers fans are the only ones predicting their team is going to the superbowl. I have a friend who is a dolphins fan and every year he thinks the dolphins can win the superbowl.

[Mr.wizard]

silly. whats silly about evaluating a HC, players, schedule etc and make a prediction on the season?
every year someone posts, "predict our season record" .................did you ever partake
so you are telling me that you never thought they were good enough to make the super bowl since tomlin has been the HC?

Well if you look at how many different teams make it to the Superbowl there are plenty of teams "good enough" to make to the superbowl. Do you think Steelers fans are the only ones predicting their team is going to the superbowl. I have a friend who is a dolphins fan and every year he thinks the dolphins can win the superbowl.

[Northern_Blitz]

Well if you look at how many different teams make it to the Superbowl there are plenty of teams "good enough" to make to the superbowl. Do you think Steelers fans are the only ones predicting their team is going to the superbowl. I have a friend who is a dolphins fan and every year he thinks the dolphins can win the superbowl.

Yep, it's like how every year there are more than 32 college players with 1st round grades.

[Captain Lemming]

making the playoff isnt that impressive. our division isnt very good.
now if you want to say affc game, i may listen.............

Then you need to stop with the "Rooney is happy to almost make the playoffs" line.
EVEN YOU dont "expect" us to continue missing the playoffs, which is the point I just proved my friend.

Heck YOU WERE ALREADY PROVEN WRONG on that count years ago when you came here after a brief playoff drought spouting the same ridiculous garbage.

EVERY TEAM save for the Pats with Brady, have missed the playoffs here and there.
Doesnt mean the owners dont expect more.

By the standard you set we the Rooneys "satisfied" with not winning SBs with Cowher?
Using the same logic, Cowher would have been gone long before his first SB victory

[Captain Lemming]

If we make the playoffs, and Rooney keeps Tomlin, we will then be emulating the Dolphins in totality when Shula was being kept around there 20 years after the fact when he won Super Bowls. But I don't see Tomlin righting the ship. He is what he is after 12 years in the league. But a good discussion none the less.

Good discussion indeed.
Yes, the Dolphins kept Shula for a Looong time.

But here is a question for you-
How much success have the Dolphins had in the DECADES since?
Who coached the LAST Dolphin SB participant Maniac? Heck the last conference championship (92)?

Changing coaches all the time doesnt guaranty success my friend.

I think you just made my point better than I ever could.

[Eich]

I remember well, when Cowher was coach. There were plenty of people b1tching and moaning about all his failures in the playoffs, especially AFCC games. Crash, in particular, was adamant that we'd never win a Super Bowl with Cowher as coach. And then we did.

We're spoiled with 6 rings. The standard and expectations are very high. AND we want to have the kind of recent success that the cheaters have. And that makes our patience with Tomlin worse than with previous coaches. To some extent, it's unrealistic.

That said, I'm extremely disappointed with last season. It was an epic failure in so many ways and the Steelers have become a bit of a laughing stock because of everything that transpired. But I still maintain that Tomlin has earned the chance to right the ship. I wouldn't give him a huge leash but I don't ever want to become a team like the Redskins, who jettison coaches every few years.

[Steel Maniac]

Good discussion indeed.
Yes, the Dolphins kept Shula for a Looong time.

But here is a question for you-
How much success have the Dolphins had in the DECADES since?
Who coached the LAST Dolphin SB participant Maniac? Heck the last conference championship (92)?

Changing coaches all the time doesnt guaranty success my friend.

I think you just made my point better than I ever could.

Nooooo.. I didn't make your point AT ALL!! I more then made my point in that we are keeping a coach who some unrealistically expect to change his coaching methods 12 YEARS INTO HIS JOB!! Which is really the most illogical thing in the world to think. It's never been done, and it won't be done here.

It's called, MOVING FORWARD!! And I trust in our brain trust in management to be able to find the next coach who will take us where we want to go. You don't stay with something that logic dictates that it won't work for the sake of being scared.

The Rams had to keep moving forward until they found McVay...
The Bears had to keep moving forward until they found Nagy...


Can you miss? Of course you can. But you don't stop trying to move forward and become scared and hold on to something because of what it did for you over a decade ago but has clearly become unable to produce in the present.

[Steel Maniac]

Good discussion indeed.
Yes, the Dolphins kept Shula for a Looong time.

But here is a question for you-
How much success have the Dolphins had in the DECADES since?
Who coached the LAST Dolphin SB participant Maniac? Heck the last conference championship (92)?

Changing coaches all the time doesnt guaranty success my friend.

I think you just made my point better than I ever could.

And Captain, since your willing to bet squid...TAKE MY BET!!!

Here's the bet...

I bet you that we don't win another Super Bowl with Tomlin as our head coach.

If we do win a Super Bowl with Tomlin as head coach, then I disappear for a year.
If we don't win a Super Bowl with Tomlin as head coach, then you disappear for a year.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT BET?

[Captain Lemming]

I remember well, when Cowher was coach. There were plenty of people b1tching and moaning about all his failures in the playoffs, especially AFCC games. Crash, in particular, was adamant that we'd never win a Super Bowl with Cowher as coach. And then we did.

We're spoiled with 6 rings. The standard and expectations are very high. AND we want to have the kind of recent success that the cheaters have. And that makes our patience with Tomlin worse than with previous coaches. To some extent, it's unrealistic.

That said, I'm extremely disappointed with last season. It was an epic failure in so many ways and the Steelers have become a bit of a laughing stock because of everything that transpired. But I still maintain that Tomlin has earned the chance to right the ship. I wouldn't give him a huge leash but I don't ever want to become a team like the Redskins, who jettison coaches every few years.

My sentiments EXACTLY.

[Disco1981]

Nooooo.. I didn't make your point AT ALL!! I more then made my point in that we are keeping a coach who some unrealistically expect to change his coaching methods 12 YEARS INTO HIS JOB!! Which is really the most illogical thing in the world to think. It's never been done, and it won't be done here.

It's called, MOVING FORWARD!! And I trust in our brain trust in management to be able to find the next coach who will take us where we want to go. You don't stay with something that logic dictates that it won't work for the sake of being scared.

The Rams had to keep moving forward until they found McVay...
The Bears had to keep moving forward until they found Nagy...


Can you miss? Of course you can. But you don't stop trying to move forward and become scared and hold on to something because of what it did for you over a decade ago but has clearly become unable to produce in the present.

Winner!!!!!!!