Hey Tomlin/Colber take note...playoff week 1 it's still defense that wins

[Northern_Blitz]

just what I said, " a lot of defense and some offense". Not a major imbalance on either side. But we are missing the "good coaching" part .

"3 playoff wins in 8 years"

I think our biggest issues is lack of talent on the D side of the ball and back luck in terms of turnovers and a kicker losing it.

There were coaching issues this year (particularly continuing to put a LB on a WR3), but I think their importance was dwarfed by the issues above.

I think you need to update your quote to "3 playoff wins and 3 1st round byes in 8 years".

If you count the byes as wins (because they advance through the wild card round), that's more than twice the number of wins as an average NFL team (11 playoff wins / year * 8 years / 32 teams = 2.75 expected wins in 8 years).

But, "Fire Mike Tomlin because he had 218% of the expected playoff wins over 8 years!" doesn't work as well as your (intentionally?) misleading quote. [edit : the math is a bit of here. Didn't realize the date range was cherry picked. I updated it on the next page.]

[brothervad]

I like puma concolor as much as anyone, but I don't think that's the word you want there. Perhaps you originally wrote "tantamount" and your software auto-corrected it?

Lol, nope I can't blame auto correct. It was me. Unfortunately, when you are at work and trying to type faster than you think, you tend to do such things and in the end is not tantamount to success.



brothervad

[Steel Maniac]

I think our biggest issues is lack of talent on the D side of the ball and back luck in terms of turnovers and a kicker losing it.

There were coaching issues this year (particularly continuing to put a LB on a WR3), but I think their importance was dwarfed by the issues above.

I think you need to update your quote to "3 playoff wins and 3 1st round byes in 8 years".

If you count the byes as wins (because they advance through the wild card round), that's more than twice the number of wins as an average NFL team (11 playoff wins / year * 8 years / 32 teams = 2.75 expected wins in 8 years).

But, "Fire Mike Tomlin because he had 218% of the expected playoff wins over 8 years!" doesn't work as well as your (intentionally?) misleading quote.

Bad luck in turnovers?????????? Easily over the last 6 years our defense is in the bottom 6 almost every year in turnovers. It’s not “bad luck” that this defense hardly gets turnovers. Come on.

[NorthCoast]

Bad luck in turnovers?????????? Easily over the last 6 years our defense is in the bottom 6 almost every year in turnovers. It’s not “bad luck” that this defense hardly gets turnovers. Come on.

I think he meant bad luck with 'offensive turnovers'.

Maniac, you're exaggerating once again. The Steelers NFL rank in takeaways:

2018: 29th
2017: 17th
2016: 14th
2015: 4th
2014: 23rd
2013: 28th

[Steel Maniac]

I think he meant bad luck with 'offensive turnovers'.

Maniac, you're exaggerating once again. The Steelers NFL rank in takeaways:

2018: 29th
2017: 17th
2016: 14th
2015: 4th
2014: 23rd
2013: 28th

There is no exaggeration. Other then one year those are bad numbers

You constantly talk down to people who don't share your views; Just exchange ideas and move on.

[NorthCoast]

There is no exaggeration. Other then one year those are bad numbers

You constantly talk down to people who don't share your views; Just exchange ideas and move on.

I am stating facts; 'bottom 6 almost every year...' by my count 2 out of six isn't "almost every year". Stop exaggerating.

[Northern_Blitz]

I think he meant bad luck with 'offensive turnovers'.

Maniac, you're exaggerating once again. The Steelers NFL rank in takeaways:

2018: 29th
2017: 17th
2016: 14th
2015: 4th
2014: 23rd
2013: 28th

This.

I would also have expected more strip sacks when we increased sacks from ~30 two years ago to ~50 the last two years.

I think the lack of picks is due to lack of secondary talent over coaching or scheme.

I also think the sack increase is probably mostly due to scheme since talent is mostly the same (added Watt, but lost Shazier).

[Steel Maniac]

Again, we’ve been talking about the lack of turnovers this defense has generated for years. A one year aberration means nothing. But if that gets you thru the night to feel better, so be it.

[Steel Maniac]

There is no exxageration...

3 playoff wins in 8 years.

[Northern_Blitz]

There is no exxageration...

3 playoff wins in 8 years.

I got the math wrong here, check below

[Northern_Blitz]

Changed the math because I didn't realize Maniac was cherry picking his range of dates.

Since we're repeating things and you seem to have missed this last time [edit math was wrong the first time, updated below]

I think you need to update your quote to "7 playoff wins and 3 1st round byes and 1 SB in 10 years". This goes for MT's full tenure inserted of your cherry picked range.

If you count the byes as wins (because they advance through the wild card round), that's almost three times the number of wins as an average NFL team (11 playoff wins / year * 10 years / 32 teams = 3.45 expected wins in 10 years).

But, "Fire Mike Tomlin because he had 290% of the expected playoff wins over 10 years!" doesn't work as well as your (intentionally?) misleading quote.

[NJ-STEELER]

its pretty sad when you see college secondaries like tonight make plays on the ball that our DBs never do

[Mr.wizard]

food for thought

defenses - top 5 in yards, top 6 in points are all done for the year

offenses - top 6 of 7 in points (steelers tied with other #6) are playing next week


not quite what the thread title is stating

I was going to say the same thing, all your top defensive teams are out.

[Steel Maniac]

Changed the math because I didn't realize Maniac was cherry picking his range of dates.

I stand by what I said. Period. 3 playoff wins in 8 years. Now you trying to throw in byes ?? Please.

[Steel Maniac]

It seems that a couple of you guys can’t deal with the hard truth of Tomlin’s last eight year playoff record. So now your new trick is to try and soften it by saying the byes are a win??? Get out of here. The TBW are working overtime now!! Lol

Tomlin is like a kid who gets the letter grade B’s on the homework ( regular season games) then gets an “F” on the actual test (playoffs).

3 playoff wins in 8 years. Stop trying to make up stuff to soften it; with the teams we’ve had in those 8 years that’s underachievment. No way around it.