Hey Tomlin/Colber take note...playoff week 1 it's still defense that wins

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  • Northern_Blitz
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    • Dec 2008
    • 24373

    #31
    Originally posted by Ernie
    I don't think the D is talent deficient. I think they are poorly coached as a unit though... at least from a scheme perspective.
    I think that's a pretty optomistic way to look at it.

    It may be true at S, and we have a good D-line. But I think it's clearly not the case at ILB or CB. Not sure about OLB
    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 01-07-2019, 09:03 AM.

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    • Steel Maniac
      Banned
      • Apr 2017
      • 19472

      #32
      At ILB, CB and safety ... we are horse manure. And we need another OLB too.

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      • Disco1981
        Pro Bowler
        • Apr 2017
        • 1635

        #33
        Originally posted by brothervad
        I can answer that...I collected Steelers draft picks since 2011. I posted my analysis here earlier. It's finding talent 40% of all picks are out of the league. Meaning they weren't good enough to be developed by other teams as well.

        Position # Starter Depth Other team out of league
        D-Line 8 2 4 1 1
        Linebackers 12 3 4 0 5
        Secondary 15 2 4 1 8
        Total 35 7 12 2 14
        Position % of total Starter % of ttl Depth % of ttl Other team % of ttl Out of League % of ttl
        D-Line 23% 6% 11% 3% 3%
        Linebackers 34% 9% 11% 0% 14%
        Secondary 43% 6% 11% 3% 23%
        Total 100% 20% 34% 6% 40%
        Awesome...Took a lot of work...Thanks

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        • Steel Maniac
          Banned
          • Apr 2017
          • 19472

          #34
          Much appreciated Brothervad

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          • Oviedo
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 23824

            #35
            Didn't the team with the best defense lose the Eagles yesterday? Lesson from that game is kicking is vital.

            Didn't the AFC team with the best defense lose to the Chargers because they didn't have offense??

            Did I watch different games?
            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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            • brothervad
              Pro Bowler
              • Dec 2008
              • 1914

              #36
              Wow. But it wasn't the offenses that took off.

              1) San Diego implemented a defensive game plan that was effective and frankly Rivers didn't light it up.
              2) Yes the Kicker missed (or from what I saw it was slightly set ajar) but Philly's defense was up to the task as well
              3) Dallas shut down the #1 rushing team - D
              4) Not a single team broke the 30 point mark yesterday, hell the highest score was 24. The average total points was 36.25 with the average final score being 21 - 15.25

              All 8 teams average 25.06 point for the regular season, yesterday it was 18.125 or 1 TD less than the season average.

              That was my point. Having a lopsided team with talent will not win you playoff games. Perhaps if I would've said balance. But I do think its worth taking note. Having defensive talent is catamount to success in the playoffs.

              brothervad

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              • Steel Maniac
                Banned
                • Apr 2017
                • 19472

                #37
                Originally posted by brothervad
                Wow. But it wasn't the offenses that took off.

                1) San Diego implemented a defensive game plan that was effective and frankly Rivers didn't light it up.
                2) Yes the Kicker missed (or from what I saw it was slightly set ajar) but Philly's defense was up to the task as well
                3) Dallas shut down the #1 rushing team - D
                4) Not a single team broke the 30 point mark yesterday, hell the highest score was 24. The average total points was 36.25 with the average final score being 21 - 15.25

                All 8 teams average 25.06 point for the regular season, yesterday it was 18.125 or 1 TD less than the season average.

                That was my point. Having a lopsided team with talent will not win you playoff games. Perhaps if I would've said balance. But I do think its worth taking note. Having defensive talent is catamount to success in the playoffs.

                brothervad
                Totally agree. The word is "balance". You can't be lopsided in team building like we are currently. Defense is the name of the game in the playoffs.

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                • tiproast
                  Starter
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 643

                  #38
                  Originally posted by brothervad
                  Having defensive talent is catamount to success in the playoffs.

                  brothervad
                  I like puma concolor as much as anyone, but I don't think that's the word you want there. Perhaps you originally wrote "tantamount" and your software auto-corrected it?

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                  • RuthlessBurgher
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                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    #39
                    Originally posted by tiproast
                    I like puma concolor as much as anyone, but I don't think that's the word you want there. Perhaps you originally wrote "tantamount" and your software auto-corrected it?
                    Tiproast sure knows his big cats, since he's a lifelong fan of a bunch of cheetahs (pronounced with a wicked thick Southie accent, of course).
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • Iron City Inc.
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jun 2013
                      • 3237

                      #40
                      Looking at the Chargers going with a 47 D throughout the game to shut down the Ravens I trust our coaches took note. We dabbled with a 2-2-7 in camp n in pre-season then scrapped it. Will get another look I believe in camp. Hybrids physical enough to stack n shed along with greater quickness then ILB's gave them a schematic advantage. Pinching DT's in the A gap to shut down the inside run game while keeping guards from getting to the hybrids worked well for the Bolts.
                      A practice squad player like Marcus Allen is built for a roll like this if he can make the transition from FS. I'm sure Edmunds would excel in that hybrid roll as well.

                      Burnett too is another candidate who can slide into such a roll imho. Lets hope our coaching staff or new coaching staff revisits this.

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                      • Ernie
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                        • Aug 2013
                        • 8470

                        #41
                        Originally posted by tiproast
                        I like puma concolor as much as anyone, but I don't think that's the word you want there. Perhaps you originally wrote "tantamount" and your software auto-corrected it?
                        I was thinking paramount lol

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                        • Ernie
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                          • Aug 2013
                          • 8470

                          #42
                          believe it or not there is such thing as a catamount.. however lol

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                          • Northern_Blitz
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                            • Dec 2008
                            • 24373

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                            Not true... what we saw is every team with a playoff virgin qb lost. That’s what we saw. We learned that it takes a lot of defense but you still have to have SOME offense to win.
                            We also saw the top 5 highest earning QBs miss the playoffs.

                            It takes talent on both sides of the ball, good coaching, and more than a little luck to win a SB.

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                            • Steel Maniac
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2017
                              • 19472

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                              It takes talent on both sides of the ball, good coaching, and more than a little luck to win a SB.
                              just what I said, " a lot of defense and some offense". Not a major imbalance on either side. But we are missing the "good coaching" part .

                              "3 playoff wins in 8 years"

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                              • pittpete
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                                • Aug 2008
                                • 6825

                                #45
                                Colts RB Marlon Mack sets franchise record for most rushing yards in playoff game https://clutchpoints.com/colts-news-...-playoff-game/
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