"fairwell" bell

[raycafan]

The other aspect to signing him is ticket sales. Fans buy into the savior aspect, he will be the entire difference in their offense, until he isn’t cause he has nobody blocking for him. To owners money is bottom line,championships are second. IMO

[Mr.wizard]

I'm sure there are plenty of teams out there that would disagree with this approach (overspending for Bell). Lucky for him, it only takes one dumb team to make it happen.

Well if you classify it as "overspending", then I'm sure every team is against overspending, but if a team views Bell as the focal point of the offense then 17+ is a drop in the bucket.

[Ernie]

Well if you classify it as "overspending", then I'm sure every team is against overspending, but if a team views Bell as the focal point of the offense then 17+ is a drop in the bucket.

Yea... except for its not (looking at the RB position).

The focal point of the offense is the QB position...and yea, 17 mill is a drop in the bucket for those guys. RB on the other hand, you've got one guy making close to that right now...and he's a better RB than Bell in all phases of the game.

[Mr.wizard]

Yea... except for its not (looking at the RB position).

The focal point of the offense is the QB position...and yea, 17 mill is a drop in the bucket for those guys. RB on the other hand, you've got one guy making close to that right now...and he's a better RB than Bell in all phases of the game.

Sam Darnold is not carrying that offense, the Jets will need a focal point of their offense they will need an Identity and Bell will give them that instantly. It's the same thing in Dallas, if you think the focal point of that offense is Prescott you are crazy, it is by far and away Elliot. Also it doesn't matter who you think is a better running back, contracts for elite running backs are going up, it's not like every elite back going forward will always be paid less than Gurley that is just not how it works.

[Ernie]

Sam Darnold is not carrying that offense, the Jets will need a focal point of their offense they will need an Identity and Bell will give them that instantly. It's the same thing in Dallas, if you think the focal point of that offense is Prescott you are crazy, it is by far and away Elliot. Also it doesn't matter who you think is a better running back, contracts for elite running backs are going up, it's not like every elite back going forward will always be paid less than Gurley that is just not how it works.

Most rookie QB's don't "Carry an offense"...that's just not one of those positions in the league that you can "Plug and play" (like the RB position for example)... but you can guarantee he wasn't picked in the top 5 in the 1st round to be a "Game manager" long term.

With everything that you believe Bell "Gives a team instantly"... he also carries the baggage...injury history, suspensions, being a bad teammate (no that's not debatable). Bell is also a year removed from having very mediocre numbers in terms of yards per carry and yards after the catch. In most other offenses where a team is more balanced... his totals would have been modest at best.

Conner thus far exceeds Bell in virtually every statistical category versus last year's numbers. If you look at TDs, yards per carry, yards after the catch, runs over 20 yards... it's really not even close. I'm tickled to death we didn't sign Bell. It would have been a huge "Overspend" as far as Im concerned. If the JETS are dumb enough to give him what he wants, so be it... they will remain the JETS with or without him.

[Mr.wizard]

Conner carries injury history too, Gurley too, David Johnson, leonard fournette, devonte freeman, lesean mccoy, etc etc etc.... I don't think Bell was a bad teammate, he didn't play this season he wasn't under contract, when he was under contract he left it all on the field. As far as the yards per carry goes, your not really looking at the whole picture, Bell averaged 4.3ypc over 5 years and the real reason it was skewed was his rookie year he only was at 3.5ypc. In his other seasons it was 4.7, 4.9, 4.9, 4.0, the idea that "Conner is better than Bell in virtually every statistical category" is not an honest comparison of the 2 backs.

[Ernie]

Conner carries injury history too, Gurley too, David Johnson, leonard fournette, devonte freeman, lesean mccoy, etc etc etc.... I don't think Bell was a bad teammate, he didn't play this season he wasn't under contract, when he was under contract he left it all on the field. As far as the yards per carry goes, your not really looking at the whole picture, Bell averaged 4.3ypc over 5 years and the real reason it was skewed was his rookie year he only was at 3.5ypc. In his other seasons it was 4.7, 4.9, 4.9, 4.0, the idea that "Conner is better than Bell in virtually every statistical category" is not an honest comparison of the 2 backs.

I didn't say Conner was the better RB... I was comparing stats...
and sadly...it's a "What have you done for me lately" league... and Bell hasn't done "Jack" lately... lol
The bottom line is... we got "The right guy". I know some folks are struggling with that... but its true. Bell offers us nothing that Conner can't give us. Only time will tell who the better RB is.

[pittpete]

Ernie, let it go.
You'll never win with this guy.

[Ernie]

Ernie, let it go.
You'll never win with this guy.

10-4 Pete. I guess somebody had to pick up where Feltz left off lol

[Mr.wizard]

I didn't say Conner was the better RB... I was comparing stats...
and sadly...it's a "What have you done for me lately" league... and Bell hasn't done "Jack" lately... lol
The bottom line is... we got "The right guy". I know some folks are struggling with that... but its true. Bell offers us nothing that Conner can't give us. Only time will tell who the better RB is.

I am fine with Conner I am also fine with Bell not being a Steeler, I think we have the right guy. But I also know that Bell is a dynamic back that can be a major piece of an offense especially next to a young QB, and he is going to get paid.

[Ernie]

I am fine with Conner I am also fine with Bell not being a Steeler, I think we have the right guy. But I also know that Bell is a dynamic back that can be a major piece of an offense especially next to a young QB, and he is going to get paid.

I'm glad to hear that, and agree that Bell is a dynamic back...

and I agree he's gonna "Get paid"... but how much exactly is where we potentially differ (which is clearly speculation on both ends).

[Steel Maniac]

https://www.drafttek.com/2019-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-RBs-2019-Draft.asp

Please take note of the top 6 runningbacks in the above article. With these studs coming out, plus Tevin Coleman in free agency, why would any GM want to pay Bell 15 mil a year when I can pair my young QB with one of these guys? Just like the Chiefs drafted Mahommes and Hunt in the same year, why wouldn't a GM put one of these guys next to that young QB and use the big money on other areas of critical need?

Bell is going to get a nice payday from someone. But it won't be anywhere near what he thinks. It's about supply and demand. And the supply of runninbacks is there. Obviously.

[Captain Lemming]

Sam Darnold is not carrying that offense, the Jets will need a focal point of their offense they will need an Identity and Bell will give them that instantly. It's the same thing in Dallas, if you think the focal point of that offense is Prescott you are crazy, it is by far and away Elliot.

Yes, having your team "identity" being a running back got rings......in the 90s.

How many rings does Elliot have? Demarco Murray before him?

If elite running back play won championships today the Steeler/Cowboy SB rivalry of the 70s would be raging right now.

And while we are talking Cowboys.....they let their all time single season rushing leader walk. How painful was THAT loss?

Also it doesn't matter who you think is a better running back, contracts for elite running backs are going up, it's not like every elite back going forward will always be paid less than Gurley that is just not how it works.

I like "elite backs".......on rookie deals. The position is just way down the list that smart teams spend big bucks on.

Vikings better last season than the EVER were with the best back of the era Adrian Peterson.

Eli has two rings. Zero with Giants all time rushing leader Tiki Barber.

Peyton has two rings. Zero with HOF finalist Edgerine James.

Last seasons champ Eagles just won a SB with backs they got on the cheap. How soon forget just a couple of years ago their "identity" was Eagles all time rushing leader LaSean Murray.

In the 2000s the Colts, Giants, Cowboys, Eagles and perhaps the Steelers, have LOST elite backs and improved.

Since 2000 there simply is zero correlation between paying elite money to RBs and actually winning championships.

Smart teams.....those who win it all, have figured this out.

Bell might get paid. Just takes one stupid team.

You can bet your last dollar it ain't gonna be the Patriots.

[Mr.wizard]

Yes, having your team "identity" being a running back got rings......in the 90s.

How many rings does Elliot have? Demarco Murray before him?

If elite running back play won championships today the Steeler/Cowboy SB rivalry of the 70s would be raging right now.

And while we are talking Cowboys.....they let their all time single season rushing leader walk. How painful was THAT loss?



I like "elite backs".......on rookie deals. The position is just way down the list that smart teams spend big bucks on.

Vikings better last season than the EVER were with the best back of the era Adrian Peterson.

Eli has two rings. Zero with Giants all time rushing leader Tiki Barber.

Peyton has two rings. Zero with HOF finalist Edgerine James.

Last seasons champ Eagles just won a SB with backs they got on the cheap. How soon forget just a couple of years ago their "identity" was Eagles all time rushing leader LaSean Murray.

In the 2000s the Colts, Giants, Cowboys, Eagles and perhaps the Steelers, have LOST elite backs and improved.

Since 2000 there simply is zero correlation between paying elite money to RBs and actually winning championships.

Smart teams.....those who win it all, have figured this out.

Bell might get paid. Just takes one stupid team.

You can bet your last dollar it ain't gonna be the Patriots.

And yet all these running backs are going to get paid, Elliot, Fournette, Bell, Gurley, if you think teams are just going to let these guys walk and say we will just get another in the draft your crazy.

[Captain Lemming]

And yet all these running backs are going to get paid, Elliot, Fournette, Bell, Gurley, if you think teams are just going to let these guys walk and say we will just get another in the draft your crazy.

I just showed you the Cowboys ALREADY did just that right after Demarco had the most rush yards in Cowboy history.
Philly let McCoy walk.

Did either team regret it?

Who is the last elite high paid free agent RB to lead a SB winner in rushing? Marshall Faulk.