Le'Veon Bell

[Steel Maniac]

And the big thing with their roster construction is that they saved a ton of cap space because the best QB of this generation was in favor of being underpaid by enough money to add someone like Stephon Gilmore.

It's a HUGE advantage to be able to add a very good to elite player on D without sacrificing somewhere else.

I do think that Lemming is right that extra cap space is better spent on impact players on D when you have a very good QB (and I agree with him FWIW)

I agree with him also.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I don't think I'm getting the dates wrong here. The Seahawks had cap space to throw to an elite RB because they had a good QB on a rookie deal from 2012 - 2015 (4 years $3M with a $620k signing bonus)?

Not coincidentally, they represented the NFC in the SB in 2014 and 2015.

They haven't been back to a SB since their QB was on his 2nd contract.

You can pay use lots of cap space for elite RB (or WR) if you have a cheap QB. And you'll be competitive if your cheap QB is above average to very good.

The trick is being consistently successful when you have a market level QB that's above average to very good.

And spending lots of money on RB doesn't seem to be a good idea in that situation. And we're in that situation with Ben.

Would you take Henry on the Steelers for the contract he signed with the Titans?

[hawaiiansteel]

Add Le’Veon Bell to the ‘I got better when I escaped Adam Gase’ list

https://sports.yahoo.com/add-le-veon-bell-got-165043069.html

[Steel Maniac]

Would you take Henry on the Steelers for the contract he signed with the Titans?

Hell of a question!!

[hawaiiansteel]

Hell of a question!!

Hell of an answer

[BURGH86STEEL]

Hell of a question!!

Would you take Jaley Ramsey for the contract he signed with the Rams? Henry or Ramsey a better value?

[Steel Maniac]

Would you take Jaley Ramsey for the contract he signed with the Rams? Henry or Ramsey a better value?

If forced to choose, easily it would be the Ramsey deal for me. We can find a good runningback in the draft or free agency if need be. But elite corner play is hard to obtain.

[BURGH86STEEL]

If forced to choose, easily it would be the Ramsey deal for me. We can find a good runningback in the draft or free agency if need be. But elite corner play is hard to obtain.

You realize Ramsey is being paid QB type of money? Hi contract goes up significantly in 2021. Ramsey is a good player but he's not worth what the Rams gave him. Especially at the expense of the rest of the team.

Ramsey will take up 12.3% of the Rams cap space in 2021. Donald will take up 15.2% of the Rams cap space in 2021. Goeff will take up 18.95% of Rams cap space. That's almost 50% of the Rams cap allocated to 3 players.

The Steelers are winning and they don't have an elite corner. Teams find ways to win regardless of the players they don't have at certain positions.

Henry will only take up 7.37% of the Titans cap space in 2021. Henry is probably the better value considering his contract, salary, and what he brings to the Titans.

IMO it's all about how the player fits into the success of the team and the structure of the contract regardless of the player.

[feltdizz]

If forced to choose, easily it would be the Ramsey deal for me. We can find a good runningback in the draft or free agency if need be. But elite corner play is hard to obtain.

I don’t think you need elite corner play when you have our front 7.

[feltdizz]

Add Le’Veon Bell to the ‘I got better when I escaped Adam Gase’ list

https://sports.yahoo.com/add-le-veon...165043069.html

Gase is trash. He finally gave up play calling last game and they almost upset the Bills. He is the problem in NY.

[Captain Lemming]

Marshown Lynch?

Do you know he is the only all pro (1 time) runningback in 20 years to start a SB?

Secondary?
2019 T Matthieu
2018 Gilmore
2015 Aquib
2015 Harris
2014 Revis
2013 Richard Sherman
2013 Earl Thomas
2012 Ed Reed
2010 C Woodson
2009 D Sharper (All Pro 10 picks that year)
2008 Troy
2006 Bob Sanders (Short career but AllPro and DPOY)
2005 Troy
2004 Ty Law
2003 Ty Law
2002 Rhonde Barber
2001 R. Woodson

[Captain Lemming]

Likely and current HOF QBs of the last 20 years with rings:
Brady (6)
Ben (2)
Peyton (2)
Brees (1)
Rogers (1)
R Wilson (1)

Of the 13 cumalative superbowls won by these elite QBs 12 featured at least 1 elite secondary player.

You will not see that pattern with any other position group.

[Captain Lemming]

Put it this way:
In the last 2 decades every single HOF caliber QB who has played with an elite secondary player has a ring.
Including LAST season.

KC had ONE first team all pro last season and it was Matheau

[Captain Lemming]

[Deville's Advocate]
When Brady's won about half of 'em, I would imagine you could cherry pick at MANY positions... basically whatever they didn't invest heavily in....
[/Deville's Advocate]

Well not only does the list I provided show the pattern exists outside of the Patriots, lets talk about the Patriots.
People forget they had a 9 year drought, during which they had THE BEST RECEIVER Brady ever played with.

9 seasons, between Ty Law and adding Revis and Butler....ZERO SB victories....cheating and all.
Save for the win over the Falcons, EVERY Pat SB win featured Law, Revis, or Gilmore.

[Captain Lemming]

I don’t think you need elite corner play when you have our front 7.

It does help.