Le'Veon Bell

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Ernie
    Legend
    • Aug 2013
    • 8470

    and all the talk we had a year or so ago about the "Elite backs" resetting the RB market (Bell, Gurley, Johnson)... I wonder how those teams are feeling about those investments now??

    Comment

    • Oh wow
      Hall of Famer
      • Mar 2019
      • 2753

      Originally posted by Ernie
      and all the talk we had a year or so ago about the "Elite backs" resetting the RB market (Bell, Gurley, Johnson)... I wonder how those teams are feeling about those investments now??
      Our 30 million dollar QB isn’t playing this year.

      The last thing any Steeler fan should do is ask how 3 teams feel about paying a RB 13 mill a year.

      Saints
      Jags
      Steelers
      Panthers
      Redskins
      Chiefs
      Broncos

      All these teams lost their QB for a few games.

      Hell, how do we feel with Tuitt missing the rest of the season?

      It’s football fellas. It’s time to stop trying to make RB injuries much more worrisome than other positions where players also make a ton of money.

      Why should a team feel worse about losing a RB for a few games than any other position they paid good money for and also had injuries?

      How do we feel when Haden misses a few games? Do we regret the money spent? No, we deal with it and then welcome him
      back when healthy.

      The prejudice some have against elite RB’s making decent money is weird because it never extends to any other position when players are injured.
      Last edited by Oh wow; 11-13-2019, 11:02 AM.

      Comment

      • whatever
        Legend
        • Sep 2019
        • 5789

        Originally posted by Oh wow
        Our 30 million dollar QB isn’t playing this year.

        The last thing any Steeler fan should do is ask how 3 teams feel about paying a RB 13 mill a year.

        Saints
        Jags
        Steelers
        Panthers
        Redskins
        Chiefs
        Broncos

        All these teams lost their QB for a few games.

        Hell, how do we feel with Tuitt missing the rest of the season?

        It’s football fellas. It’s time to stop trying to make RB injuries much more worrisome than other positions where players also make a ton of money.

        Why should a team feel worse about losing a RB for a few games than any other position they paid good money for and also had injuries?

        How do we feel when Haden misses a few games? Do we regret the money spent? No, we deal with it and then welcome him
        back when healthy.

        The prejudice some have against elite RB’s making decent money is weird because it never extends to any other position when players are injured.
        The issue is 30 million dollar QBs can't be replaced, where 15 million dollar rbs can. Much cheaper.
        How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

        Comment

        • Northern_Blitz
          Legend
          • Dec 2008
          • 23985

          Originally posted by Ernie
          I agree with you wholeheartedly..

          To hear Bell described on here (Elite, GOAT, Once in a generation type of player)... we should not be listening to excuses right now as to why he's not in the top 30 in the league in rushing... I don't care how bad the JETs are.
          I think Bell was elite.

          It looked like he started to decline in his last year with the Steelers (based on YPC).

          Then he took a year off.

          Then he signed with a bad team and is having bad results.

          This seems to support the idea that signing him to a big deal wasn't the best idea. He saved us from ourselves by rejecting a large long term deal twice.

          Comment

          • Buzz
            Legend
            • Dec 2017
            • 8299

            Originally posted by whatever
            The issue is 30 million dollar QBs can't be replaced, where 15 million dollar rbs can. Much cheaper.
            You beat me to the response. Much easier to find a RB you can plug in and go with than to replace a top-flight QB or CB

            Comment

            • Eddie Spaghetti
              Hall of Famer
              • Jul 2008
              • 4123

              Originally posted by Buzz
              You beat me to the response. Much easier to find a RB you can plug in and go with than to replace a top-flight QB or CB
              some people just cannot accept this simple fact

              Comment

              • Oh wow
                Hall of Famer
                • Mar 2019
                • 2753

                Originally posted by whatever
                The issue is 30 million dollar QBs can't be replaced, where 15 million dollar rbs can. Much cheaper.
                This is false.

                Anyone can be replaced.

                Brees was out and Bridgewater went undefeated.

                Mason has filled in for Ben. It hasn’t been pretty but we are on a 4 game winning streak. His numbers aren’t that bad. We just have zero running game even though we have 4 RB’s on the cheap and the same awesome OL as years past for the most part.

                Colts were 5-3 with Brisset at QB.

                Lamar Jackson is a fraction of what Flacco made and is 14-3 as a starter.

                Kyle Allen won his first 5 or 6 starts this year replacing Cam.

                Jags back up QB had decent success when Foles went down.

                You won’t see the same exact production but I think you see decent production with most back up QB’s that is in line with RB’s who replace elite talent who get injured.

                This is probably the worst year to try and say you can’t replace a top flight QB and have success.

                Used to be able to say a season was over once an elite QB went down but that’s not the case anymore. If you have a decent team around you then you can definitely plug a QB in and survive as we have seen this year. Hell, Matt Moore was in a couch 2 gays before he filled in for Mahomes and he damn near beat GB and had good production.
                Last edited by Oh wow; 11-13-2019, 12:11 PM.

                Comment

                • Oh wow
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Mar 2019
                  • 2753

                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                  I think Bell was elite.

                  It looked like he started to decline in his last year with the Steelers (based on YPC).

                  Then he took a year off.

                  Then he signed with a bad team and is having bad results.

                  This seems to support the idea that signing him to a big deal wasn't the best idea. He saved us from ourselves by rejecting a large long term deal twice.
                  Here is the problem. Everyone said you can replace an elite RB with RB by committee and have the same or similar production.

                  Where is our production this year?

                  Where is our running game?

                  Is it all based on the QB? I don’t think so. These new guys aren’t hitting the right holes or making anyone miss.
                  Last edited by Oh wow; 11-13-2019, 12:12 PM.

                  Comment

                  • Oh wow
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Mar 2019
                    • 2753

                    Originally posted by Buzz
                    You beat me to the response. Much easier to find a RB you can plug in and go with than to replace a top-flight QB or CB
                    You sure about that?

                    Kyle Allen 5-2
                    Brisset 5-3
                    Bridgewater 5-0
                    Mason 4-2 (as a starter)
                    Duck 1-0
                    Minshew 4-4.. it’s the Jags, that’s not a bad record.

                    Comment

                    • Steel Maniac
                      Banned
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 19472

                      Originally posted by Eddie Spaghetti
                      some people just cannot accept this simple fact
                      You speak the truth about the runningback position.,

                      Comment

                      • Steel Maniac
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 19472

                        Originally posted by Ernie
                        and all the talk we had a year or so ago about the "Elite backs" resetting the RB market (Bell, Gurley, Johnson)... I wonder how those teams are feeling about those investments now??
                        Rams are bitter down here.

                        Comment

                        • Oh wow
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Mar 2019
                          • 2753

                          I would be bitter too if my RB only had 12 carries and averaged 6 yards a run.

                          and my QB had 2INT’s and a fumble returned for a TD and looked like a deer in headlights all game.

                          Comment

                          • Oviedo
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 23776

                            Originally posted by Oh wow
                            Here is the problem. Everyone said you can replace an elite RB with RB by committee and have the same or similar production.

                            Where is our production this year?

                            Where is our running game?

                            Is it all based on the QB? I don’t think so. These new guys aren’t hitting the right holes or making anyone miss.
                            You absolutely can have a successful RB by committee...but you can't have 50% of the committee out with injuries
                            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

                            Comment

                            • Captain Lemming
                              Legend
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 15979

                              Originally posted by Oh wow
                              Here is the problem. Everyone said you can replace an elite RB with RB by committee and have the same or similar production.

                              Where is our production this year?

                              Where is our running game?

                              Is it all based on the QB? I don’t think so. These new guys aren’t hitting the right holes or making anyone miss.
                              We ran FINE and were IMPROVED on short yardage, and ypc were UP last season WITHOUT Bell. Why, if the problem is backs who can't hit a hole?

                              Possibly the fact that Ben winged the ball all the time made it easier to run REGARDLESS the runner?
                              sigpic



                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

                              Comment

                              • Oh wow
                                Hall of Famer
                                • Mar 2019
                                • 2753

                                Originally posted by Oviedo
                                You absolutely can have a successful RB by committee...but you can't have 50% of the committee out with injuries
                                Even when healthy it wasn’t that impressive.

                                I agree that RB by committee can work but it hasn’t thus far for our team.

                                Comment

                                Working...