Dupree

[steeler_george]

Thanks for breaking that down. I am not football guru, but I can not really say i am down on Dupree. Yeah, I was hoping for more, just as I was from Burns.

I don't think we were expectng that much from our defense this year, by far our weakest link the past 5 years. It just seamed like this year our defense was so up and down before the injuries. There were times they looked amazing, and during the same game looked horrid.

[phillyesq]

The job that Olsavsky has done with Shazier and Williams far outstrips What Porter has done to help Dupree and Chickillo...

If you are going to blame Porter for Dupree, do you also have to give him credit for Watt?

I understand the criticism of Porter, but I think the blame rests largely with Dupree. He's an exceptional athlete but his technique was very poor when he was drafted, and some guys just can't pick that up.

[phillyesq]

Way better than am old dude who still excels at two of three skills.

That's what I find so frustrating about Harrison. Even though he wasn't near the level he used to be, he could still do 2 of the 3 things you wanted from an OLB, and do it better than most on the roster. But the Steelers focused on the one thing he couldn't do - run.

[Slapstick]

If you are going to blame Porter for Dupree, do you also have to give him credit for Watt?

If Watt continues to grow and improve, then yes, he will deserve some of the credit....

[pittpete]

Watts football intelligence is as high as his athleticism, so comparing the two isn't fair.
I remember reading how Bud was slow to diagnose plays in college and his skill was lacking a bit.

[Captain Lemming]

If you are going to blame Porter for Dupree, do you also have to give him credit for Watt?

I understand the criticism of Porter, but I think the blame rests largely with Dupree. He's an exceptional athlete but his technique was very poor when he was drafted, and some guys just can't pick that up.

The guy who looked all world game one, who finished with 1.5 total tackles in the loss?

I am sorry but JJ, then Dupree, and the JH fiasco? That is a terrible track record.

[phillyesq]

The guy who looked all world game one, who finished with 1.5 total tackles in the loss?

I am sorry but JJ, then Dupree, and the JH fiasco? That is a terrible track record.

I'm not really defending Porter. I don't think he has a great track record. But I think the issue is more that Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree are not going to be players, regardless of the coach. In other words, I think the talent (or lack thereof) is the bigger problem.

Watt certainly disappeared against Jacksonville, but he's shown that he is capable of being a versatile defender. The Steelers need more from him - he needs to keep growing.

[Steel Maniac]

Watts football intelligence is as high as his athleticism, so comparing the two isn't fair.
I remember reading how Bud was slow to diagnose plays in college and his skill was lacking a bit.

So your saying that we drafted a dumb linebacker correct? Linebackers are like the QB's of the defense as far as diagnosing pending plays by the offense. I don't care how athletic you are as a linebacker, if you can't diagnose and understand what's coming, you don't know where to apply all that athleticism.

So your saying we knew he was a dumb linebacker too? Wow. It just gets better and better doesn't it? LOL

[Buzz]

So your saying that we drafted a dumb linebacker correct? Linebackers are like the QB's of the defense as far as diagnosing pending plays by the offense. I don't care how athletic you are as a linebacker, if you can't diagnose and understand what's coming, you don't know where to apply all that athleticism.

So your saying we knew he was a dumb linebacker too? Wow. It just gets better and better doesn't it? LOL

Didn't Dupree have one of the lowest Wonderlic scores?

[Steel Maniac]

Didn't Dupree have one of the lowest Wonderlic scores?

It just gets better and better. Boy that Kevin Colbert is a genius too huh? He and Tomlin have done a great , great job the last decade. What a team.

[Northern_Blitz]

Dupree is still cheap and on his rookie contract...Jarvis went for four years...so will Bud...

This. He's looked very good and pretty bad. Makes sense to give him another year. I'm not against bringing in competition if a great player falls in the draft or a steal of a FA is available, but we've got bigger holes to fill than OLB.

The guy who looked all world game one, who finished with 1.5 total tackles in the loss?

I am sorry but JJ, then Dupree, and the JH fiasco? That is a terrible track record.

I'm generally on the side of coaching, but it's hard to argue that Porter is anything more than just a guy as a position coach. Even if you don't believe that JJ / Dupree are his fault, the only argument for keeping him is inertia. I'd be OK letting some defensive guys go and Porter would be a reasonable guy to get rid of.

His biggest contribution to the Steelers as coach is drawing a penalty against the Bengals.

[Oviedo]

This. He's looked very good and pretty bad. Makes sense to give him another year. I'm not against bringing in competition if a great player falls in the draft or a steal of a FA is available, but we've got bigger holes to fill than OLB.



I'm generally on the side of coaching, but it's hard to argue that Porter is anything more than just a guy as a position coach. Even if you don't believe that JJ / Dupree are his fault, the only argument for keeping him is inertia. I'd be OK letting some defensive guys go and Porter would be a reasonable guy to get rid of.

His biggest contribution to the Steelers as coach is drawing a penalty against the Bengals.

Porter sucks. Guy needs to go. Need a teacher and technician not a rah rah guy

[Iron Shiek]

Porter sucks. Guy needs to go. Need a teacher and technician not a rah rah guy

I'm not disagreeing, but do we know he isn't more than a rah rah guy? Is it documented or anything, or have we seen practices where he's just on the sideline with pom poms or does he actually teach?

I get his track record (which is limited to be fair) for development so far is not very good. But I want to compartmentalize the reasons for canning him, and I honestly don't know if your statement is fair Oviedo...i don't know, maybe it is. (By the way I'm on record in another thread saying Porter and Lebeau Jr. both should be given their walking papers).

[Captain Lemming]

Porter sucks. Guy needs to go.

Maybe we hire Deebo to replace him AGAIN............. when he stopped "mentoring" the youngsters suddenly began to digress.
He can go all military style coaching on them.

[Iron Shiek]

Maybe we hire Deebo to replace him AGAIN............. when he stopped "mentoring" the youngsters suddenly began to digress.
He can go all military style coaching on them.

Cap,
Its really just the long con. The insubordination, discipline issues, benching him was all a ruse with your exact plan in mind. Deebo is a sleeper agent. He was supposed to injure Brady in practice but Rex Burkhead beat him to it. So Deebo is laying in wait during Super Bowl week. Then he comes back to us as LB coach next year with all the Patriots secrets (and Ernie Adams stowed in a duffle bag over his shoulder).

And....scene.