Giants and Eli - we're not playing the JV anymore

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  • SanAntonioSteelerFan
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 8361

    Giants and Eli - we're not playing the JV anymore

    Our defense has been playing better these last two games, but the competition has been laughably bad.

    I wonder what kind of defensive game plan we'll need to beat those guys.

    Probably needs to start with a 35-point game by the offense!


    We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

    HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!
  • Iron City Inc.
    Hall of Famer
    • Jun 2013
    • 3237

    #2
    Whatever D scheme the Giants use Ben will be able to read it and go to the correct guy and Manning will do the same thing. We're not going to fool him it's more a case of execution. Single high man under worked well against the Colts with some blitzing off the edge. Manning would be best pressured with A gap fire.
    As it always does it comes down to making more plays then them....block better,tackle better, rush the qb better.
    I agree 30+ points is likely needed. No reason to believe we can't win this game but it is much more the "players" then the "plays".

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    • D Rock
      Hall of Famer
      • Dec 2008
      • 2797

      #3
      That's 6 games now the defense has held the opponent to 16 points or less. That's pretty good. Not surprisingly, those are also all 6 wins for the team.

      For as much as everyone likes to talk about the offense, the numbers show that defense still wins games

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      • D Rock
        Hall of Famer
        • Dec 2008
        • 2797

        #4
        Originally posted by D Rock
        That's 6 games now the defense has held the opponent to 16 points or less. That's pretty good. Not surprisingly, those are also all 6 wins for the team.

        For as much as everyone likes to talk about the offense, the numbers show that defense still wins games
        Looking deeper, only the chiefs scored 2 TDs of those 6 games. And that was after the Steelers were up 43-7 and they got their 2nd TD with 8 second left in the game.

        The 'bend but don't break' defense, when executed well, leads to wins. The offense has not yet carried the team to victory in a tight game or shootout. That's the strangest thing to me about this team this year after the results the past few seasons.

        I think that is also why, to me, it feels like such a down year up to this point. The team hasnt put a true dagger into anyone yet when it matters most.

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        • Steelerphile
          Pro Bowler
          • Dec 2008
          • 1198

          #5
          Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
          Our defense has been playing better these last two games, but the competition has been laughably bad.

          I wonder what kind of defensive game plan we'll need to beat those guys.

          Probably needs to start with a 35-point game by the offense!
          I think some of Cleveland's players had given up before the game started but I disagree about Indianapolis being that bad. They played hard. That was an important game and Tolzien played well enough for them to win. If his receivers had caught a few of those dropped passes, and if they had scored when they got down to the one yard line, that game could have been close.

          But Pittsburgh's defense is looking much better. Butler is moving guys around and bringing heat from different areas. Hargrave, Davis and Burns are factors. The pressure has been good the last two games. The Giants don't have a potent high scoring offense. Eli is not having a big season, and I don't think he is as mobile as Tolzien. If they can pressure Eli, the Steelers won't need 35 to win that game. Manning will take some hits and go down.

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          • Oviedo
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 23823

            #6
            No worries. The board experts say that we play down to less talented competition and Tomlin has no idea to prepare for these teams. Since the Giants are supposedly not "JV" we should be guaranteed to win
            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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            • fordfixer
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 10868

              #7
              Originally posted by Oviedo
              No worries. The board experts say that we play down to less talented competition and Tomlin has no idea to prepare for these teams. Since the Giants are supposedly not "JV" we should be guaranteed to win
              Well that's good news

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27508

                #8
                Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
                Whatever D scheme the Giants use Ben will be able to read it and go to the correct guy and Manning will do the same thing. We're not going to fool him it's more a case of execution. Single high man under worked well against the Colts with some blitzing off the edge. Manning would be best pressured with A gap fire.
                As it always does it comes down to making more plays then them....block better,tackle better, rush the qb better.
                I agree 30+ points is likely needed. No reason to believe we can't win this game but it is much more the "players" then the "plays".
                Maybe I missed it but it seemed like we went Tampa 2 after getting burned on 3rd and long. Mitchell isn't fast enough to cover that much ground. Cockrell also looks like garbage lately. I hope we bring pressure on Eli since he doesn't like getting hit. He will throw the ball away in a heartbeat if he hears footsteps.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • NorthCoast
                  Legend
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 26633

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
                  Our defense has been playing better these last two games, but the competition has been laughably bad.

                  I wonder what kind of defensive game plan we'll need to beat those guys.

                  Probably needs to start with a 35-point game by the offense!
                  I'm not sold the defense is playing better, but do agree the opponents have been pathetic. There were multiple reasons why last night's game wasn't close, including poor HC decisions by the Colts.

                  The goal line defense?; that was simply spectacular. The Steelers defense does well in close spaces but they are still truly awful defending the open field.

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                  • Slapstick
                    Rookie
                    • May 2008
                    • 0

                    #10
                    Mitchell is plenty fast and Cockrell played pretty well last night...
                    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                    • pittpete
                      Legend
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 6825

                      #11
                      Cockrell had a great play last night even thought the ref through a flag for PI from behind the play.
                      Glad they picked that flag up.
                      Mitchell may be fast but has no nose for the ball.
                      Mitchell made a basket catch on that INT and barely held on.
                      Like i've said previously in today's NFL he's one 15 yarder away from losing a game for us.
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                      • SteelerMaine83
                        Starter
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 826

                        #12
                        I have to admit I'm not a Mitchell fan. However, he made a few nice, key plays last night and on a team that sometimes seems to hit no one hard I like the fact that he at least occasionally provides a good pop on someone. It might be after a guy catches a 17 yarder on a 3rd and 16, lol, but...

                        I'm old school, but sometimes hitting someone hard has its own rewards on defense. Think Kam Chancellor...

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                        • Mr.wizard
                          Legend
                          • May 2014
                          • 6686

                          #13
                          I love some Mike Mitchell, he just saws people in half, receivers do not want to come across the middle when 23 is lurking.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27508

                            #14
                            Originally posted by pittpete
                            Cockrell had a great play last night even thought the ref through a flag for PI from behind the play.
                            Glad they picked that flag up.
                            Mitchell may be fast but has no nose for the ball.
                            Mitchell made a basket catch on that INT and barely held on.
                            Like i've said previously in today's NFL he's one 15 yarder away from losing a game for us.
                            The play by Cockrell was great but he has been pretty bad this year IMO. I expected more from him this year. Mitchell fast? I don't think so... if he was fast he would have more pass defenses the last few years. He is usually a step late but delivers some big hits.

                            ..and how is Mitchell one penalty away from losin a game? Thats a silly prediction. Every defender is one play away from losing a game if that's the case. one penalty doesn't lose a game. A penalty can extend a drive and plenty of players have done that over the years on defense and offensive players have nullified big plays with penalties.

                            Your mitchell prediction sounds crazy.
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • bostonsteeler
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 1529

                              #15
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              The play by Cockrell was great but he has been pretty bad this year IMO. I expected more from him this year. Mitchell fast? I don't think so... if he was fast he would have more pass defenses the last few years. He is usually a step late but delivers some big hits.

                              ..and how is Mitchell one penalty away from losin a game? Thats a silly prediction. Every defender is one play away from losing a game if that's the case. one penalty doesn't lose a game. A penalty can extend a drive and plenty of players have done that over the years on defense and offensive players have nullified big plays with penalties.

                              Your mitchell prediction sounds crazy.
                              Yeah we saw one decent play by Cockrell, but overall he wasn't particularly stellar yesterday, or anytime this season. And yes, Mitchell's prime asset is the fact that he will intimidate some of the more chicken receivers with his wild hits. But he's not fast, and often not at the right place just in time. He did deliver a few good plays yesterday, though.

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