Arians 'retirement"

[Slapstick]

You and your ilk have defended Mr. LeBeau's overrated ass for a decade based solely on their "RANKING" without context of how they achieved that rank.

My former OC's offenses, used to control the clock and hide the defenses weaknesses.

My current OC's offense can't. They've also scored 20 points or less on offense in 17 of their past 35 games.

My God what have I done to this team?

Then take up your problem with "my ilk", not with me, Mr. Rooney...if you don't want to debate my point with me, then kindly don't respond.

[feltdizz]

But, you didn't refute anything I said. "Ben and Santonio were beyond heroic" on that last drive. You can try to make the case that anything could have happened in the 2nd half...but, if anything could happen, how can we assume that the offense comes up big?

If we look at what actually happened, we see that the defense (specifically Harrison) came up big at the end of the first half and the offense (specifically Ben and Santonio) came up big at the end of the second half...it's a balancing act, as you said...Arians was the OC of Steelers teams with dominant defenses...so far, Haley has not been...hopefully, that changes this year...

The only thing I'm refuting is "without Harrison we don't win" because we have no idea how it plays out. I'm thankful he made that play because I never thought he would make it past the 20.

The issue I have is this same DOMINANT defense gave up a big lead in the second half.

After the Fitz TD my wife turned to me and said "now I finally realize why you scream so much even when they are up by 2 TD's"

[Art Rooney II]

The only thing I'm refuting is "without Harrison we don't win" because we have no idea how it plays out. I'm thankful he made that play because I never thought he would make it past the 20.

The issue I have is this same DOMINANT defense gave up a big lead in the second half.

After the Fitz TD my wife turned to me and said "now I finally realize why you scream so much even when they are up by 2 TD's"

He's pumping up LeBeau. That's all they know how to do.

Gary Russell's TD put them up 10-0. Without that TD they don't win either. What if he fumbled?

But that's why there was the "civil war" in Steeler Nation. LeBeau's reputation meant more to them than just winning championships.

[Slapstick]

He's pumping up LeBeau. That's all they know how to do.

Gary Russell's TD put them up 10-0. Without that TD they don't win either. What if he fumbled?

But that's why there was the "civil war" in Steeler Nation. LeBeau's reputation meant more to them than just winning championships.

What if Toussaint didn't fumble...see what I did there? We can play the "what if" game all day and it proves nothing...

[Slapstick]

The only thing I'm refuting is "without Harrison we don't win" because we have no idea how it plays out. I'm thankful he made that play because I never thought he would make it past the 20.

The issue I have is this same DOMINANT defense gave up a big lead in the second half.

After the Fitz TD my wife turned to me and said "now I finally realize why you scream so much even when they are up by 2 TD's"

But you can't refute it...he did score and that TD was the difference in the game...just as, sadly, the pick 6 vs. the Packers scored the deciding points in SB XLV...

[feltdizz]

What if Toussaint didn't fumble...see what I did there? We can play the "what if" game all day and it proves nothing...

if he doesnt fumble we might score a TD, a FG or Ben gets strip sacked by that freakish Denver defense.

we have no idea but it must be nice to assume the best or the worst based on one play.

[Art Rooney II]

What if Toussaint didn't fumble...

History says Keith Butler's defense, playing Dick LeBeau's same system, would have given back the lead in the 4th quarter.

Then it would be up to Ben to save him.

[feltdizz]

18 pages on Bruce Arians????

Really??? Who cares why he was retired/fired/let go!!! The guy has nothing to do with the Steelers so who cares if he falls off the earth tomorrow

Can we please start camp early so stupid sh!t like this goes away

I thought you would enjoy it because Crash is dumping on Lebeau in half his posts... lol.

[Slapstick]

if he doesnt fumble we might score a TD, a FG or Ben gets strip sacked by that freakish Denver defense.

we have no idea but it must be nice to assume the best or the worst based on one play.

Isn't that exactly what you're doing? You say the decisive points were scored at the end of the second half in that game...I say they were at the end of the first half...you can assume that the second half plays out differently...okay, it does and the Steelers never surrender the lead...the last minute heroics aren't necessary...what decided the game?

[Art Rooney II]

But you can't refute it...he did score and that TD was the difference in the game...just as, sadly, the pick 6 vs. the Packers scored the deciding points in SB XLV...

So why isn't Gary Russell's TD the difference in the game? If anything, if Russell doesn't score, they kick a FG to go up 6-0 and the defense gives up that same TD on their next drive, the Steelers are then losing 7-6 despite the offense scoring on their first two drives of the game.

But Harrison plays on LeBeau's side of the ball, and that's all people like you care about.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Bye kids. I'll try and come back the next time I vanish and then a Mod here calls me out.

Well, that exodus lasted almost 12 hours. What restraint you have.

By the way, I didn't call you out. I was calling out the posters here who haven't been banned countless times, informing them that were spouting off the same nonsense that inevitably would always lead to an unwelcome return...and whaddaya know...like clockwork...

[Art Rooney II]

Isn't that exactly what you're doing? You say the decisive points were scored at the end of the second half in that game...I say they were at the end of the first half...you can assume that the second half plays out differently...okay, it does and the Steelers never surrender the lead...the last minute heroics aren't necessary...what decided the game?

Gary Russel putting them up 10-0.

He fumbles? And the rest of the game plays out? The Steelers aren't even in position to clean up LeBeau's 4th quarter mess.

Have a nice day.

[Slapstick]

I love this game!

Let's look at it this way:


Steelers 2007-2011 - Points For 22.8 per game/Points Against 15.9 per game


Steelers 2012-2015 - Points For 24.6 per game/Points Against 21.4 per game


Now, I know that these numbers include defensive and special teams TDs, but that's okay, because it has been established that both OCs benefitted equally:

Mr. Haley's team has scored 9 defensive/ST's touchdowns in the last two seasons.

Mr. Arians team scored five in 2008, and four in 2010, which also adds up to nine.

Even.

So, we can see that the offense has improved, though not tremendously. We also see that the decline of the defense far outstripped any offensive improvement. This leads to, as one poster points out, more "meaningless scoring". It also leads to pressing and trying to do more on offense, which leads to diminishing returns.

[Slapstick]

Gary Russel putting them up 10-0.

He fumbles? And the rest of the game plays out? The Steelers aren't even in position to clean up LeBeau's 4th quarter mess.

Have a nice day.

Exactly! Because the Cards and their awesome OC come out blazing after that! Good call!!

[Oviedo]

I thought you would enjoy it because Crash is dumping on Lebeau in half his posts... lol.

Le...who? Like Arians he isn't a Steeler so who gives a rats a$$ about him