"burfict" ending haha

[Moonie]

Burfict just embarrassed himself, although I doubt he cares being a sociopath. But that running off the field stunt, only to come back and lose the game for them, is going to be a youtube highlight, for decades.

[spyboots]

We KNEW that he would try to purposely hurt Ben and Antonio .... at least my family thought so way before it happened.

[Captain Lemming]

I disagree running backs are not protected by the same rules as receivers. Once he caught the ball and made a football move he became a running back and the helmet to helmet protection is basically off the table. I know over the course of this past season I've seen running backs get met by linebackers in the hole and helmet to helmet contact is made without a penalty. I'm not sure why its okay to wax a guy once he becomes a running back, but for some strange reason the NFL is willing to allow it to happen to RBs, IMO.

Pappy

You did not read my links. Particularly the second one. Please do so before responding.

My comment has NOTHING TO DO with the "defenseless receivers" rule. That is a different rule. That rule came out in 2010 I believe and is not limited to just crown of the head tackles. It also includes any violent blow to the head or neck, including a shoulder or arm blow to the head of a defenseless receiver.

This hit broke a different rule.

You are correct at the point of the tackle Bernard was a runner.
As of 2013 you also cannot hit a runner with the crown of the helmet outside the tackle box in the manner Shazier did. "Tackle box" is key and the reason you see players get away lowered head tackles "in the hole" as you said. They can do that in the tackle box. You see that in short yardage. It works both ways too. A back can no longer ram a defender with the crown outside the tackle box.

Please see the second link.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Problem is, rule or not, that is never whistled as a penalty. Happens scores of times every Sunday, probably - usually with the RB initiating contact with the crown of his helmet just before getting tackled. No idea why it is a rule that seems to be ignored, but if they'd called it yesterday, it would have been a huge change in how NFL games are called.

[Sword]

Yeah. I still don't understand that. I was in a crowd and couldn't hear the explanation. What happened?

I'm with everyone else I don't understand? BS

[Captain Lemming]

Problem is, rule or not, that is never whistled as a penalty. Happens scores of times every Sunday, probably - usually with the RB initiating contact with the crown of his helmet just before getting tackled. No idea why it is a rule that seems to be ignored, but if they'd called it yesterday, it would have been a huge change in how NFL games are called.

You really recall not just scores of crown of helmet hits but also recall that they routinely happen outside the tackle box? Did you know that was even the rule before I just pointed it out?

Sure we can know vaguely that players lower their heads to make tackles. I don't believe you know these happen routinely outside the box

If your memory is good enough to know where on the field players are getting away with it, and can recall it happens outside the tackle box, you can recall a specific example. Name one

[Captain Lemming]

Until the explanation was given by the expert during the broadcast, when the play first happened don't tell me I was not the only one woried a flag was gonna drop. I was relieved when I heard the expert but had a nagging feeling about it because you never see anybody get away with a helmet to helmet hit like that outside of interior runs.

Helmets colliding out in the open like that make it even more obvious.

An ESPN rules expert said the broadcast was wrong so I looked it up. Sure enough the hit was not legal.

Not just head first but helmet to helmet leading with the crown in open field. If it were our guy we would b be livid.

[flippy]

You did not read my links. Particularly the second one. Please do so before responding.

My comment has NOTHING TO DO with the "defenseless receivers" rule. That is a different rule. That rule came out in 2010 I believe and is not limited to just crown of the head tackles. It also includes any violent blow to the head or neck, including a shoulder or arm blow to the head of a defenseless receiver.

This hit broke a different rule.

You are correct at the point of the tackle Bernard was a runner.
As of 2013 you also cannot hit a runner with the crown of the helmet outside the tackle box in the manner Shazier did. "Tackle box" is key and the reason you see players get away lowered head tackles "in the hole" as you said. They can do that in the tackle box. You see that in short yardage. It works both ways too. A back can no longer ram a defender with the crown outside the tackle box.

Please see the second link.

I agree it probably should have been called a penalty. But in this case, I think it was an unfortunate play and probably didn't deserve a penalty by the spirit of the rule.

When I re-watched the play, I believe Shazier was trying to hit the body and not the head. Gio's a short guy and was low himself on the play which is why Shazier's helmet hit his helmet. If Shazier tackled with his face mask up, I think it would have been an even more violent helmet to helmet shot.

The main reason I think the spirit of the play shouldn't have drawn a penalty is that Shazier would have been safer to himself if he tackled Gio with his face mask up. But that would have been a more violent helmet to helmet hit for Bernard and I really think Shazier was trying to avoid the helmets connecting.

[Slapstick]

Well, they did get away with it. Apparently, seeing it in live action isn't quite the same as seeing it in slo-mo...

Also, it would seem that tacklers get more leeway when the ball is in the runners' hands as opposed to HtH hits after incomplete passes...

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

You really recall not just scores of crown of helmet hits but also recall that they routinely happen outside the tackle box? Did you know that was even the rule before I just pointed it out?

Sure we can know vaguely that players lower their heads to make tackles. I don't believe you know these happen routinely outside the box

If your memory is good enough to know where on the field players are getting away with it, and can recall it happens outside the tackle box, you can recall a specific example. Name one

Every single time a RB lowers his head to initiate contact just before getting tackled downfield.

[Captain Lemming]

I agree it probably should have been called a penalty. But in this case, I think it was an unfortunate play and probably didn't deserve a penalty by the spirit of the rule.

When I re-watched the play, I believe Shazier was trying to hit the body and not the head. Gio's a short guy and was low himself on the play which is why Shazier's helmet hit his helmet. If Shazier tackled with his face mask up, I think it would have been an even more violent helmet to helmet shot.

The main reason I think the spirit of the play shouldn't have drawn a penalty is that Shazier would have been safer to himself if he tackled Gio with his face mask up. But that would have been a more violent helmet to helmet hit for Bernard and I really think Shazier was trying to avoid the helmets connecting.

I agree Shazier wasn't necessarily being dirty. Still could have easily gotten called.

[buccoray61]

Ryan Clark on ESPN said he talked with his good friend Ramon Foster after the game.Foster said the level of hate on the field was like nothing he'd ever seen. He said the things being said were unbelievable and guys were even getting spit on, just total ugliness.

[NorthCoast]

Ryan Clark on ESPN said he talked with his good friend Ramon Foster after the game.Foster said the level of hate on the field was like nothing he'd ever seen. He said the things being said were unbelievable and guys were even getting spit on, just total ugliness.

Question: when did things turn for these teams? has it been building and Burfict became the catalyst? Was it the Hines Ward jawbreaking hit on Rivers? Was the 1st game this bad?

This smacks of the old Raiders-Steelers games for those old enough. Damn, there was some nastiness in those games and in a time when penalties were not called!

[Slapstick]

Burfict is both an @$$hole and a good player...his douchebaggery affects his teammates just as much as his play...

When you throw in dirtbag Pacman, it only compounds everything...

The write ups on Cincinnati.com equate Burfict to a roller coaster that the Bengals got caught on...

[Shoe]

Burfict just embarrassed himself, although I doubt he cares being a sociopath. But that running off the field stunt, only to come back and lose the game for them, is going to be a youtube highlight, for decades.

I don't know whether he is a sociopath or not, but how awesome is it, the fact that he picks off the pass that would have made him one of their heroes--he RUNS off the field as if to RUB the play into the face of the Steelers, fans, and tell everyone LOOK AT ME!

And then, a minute later, unable to control his own desires (to get in a last shot on a defenseless guy)... he costs his team the win!

HAHAHAHA