Does anyone think the Steelers should fire ...

[Oviedo]

I never said that the stats that Dulac cited were condescending. But let's not pretend that your post wasn't. The line below isn't from Dulac - it's from you:



To attempt to portray that as a "fact" is disingenuous. Or, put more simply, a bold faced lie. It is your condescending opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

If you don't think that is condescending, I'd suggest that you buy a dictionary.

Well let's examine what you consider non-factual or as you term it a "bold faced lie." Remember this was a quote from Dulac so Unless you also consider him a liar I need some help.

Is it non-factual that they likely will finish 10-6 despite losing 57 manpower games with their best players as Dulac stated and I cited as a quote found below?

let's not forget they will probably finish 10-6 despite losing 57 manpower games with their best players -- Ben (4), Bryant (5), Bell (9), Beachum (9), Pouncey (15) and Suisham (15)

Is it non-factual that they will likely finish 10-6...agreed still to be determined but is that a lie?

Is it non-factual that that in Dulac's opinion he is praising the coaching staff, Tomlin included, when he makes the following statement about the challenges they had to deal with?

They shouldn't be firing these guys, they should be giving them raises.

Isn't the theme of how spoiled we are as fans frequently cited by other posters on this site? Yet you consider me repeating it as "condescending." Are all the other posters also condescending when they post that too?

Is it not true that the Rooneys do not listen to the voice of the fans and decide on a course and steadily remain on that course? So why is referencing that condescending? Isn't that what this organization gets praised for year after year...consistency?

So perhaps you can identify the "bold faced lies" since I don't see any. You may see things that you disagree with but to call them condescending or bold faced lies is really inaccurate isn't it?

[pfelix73]

Kevin Colbert? I mean, is he responsible for signing the dog meat talent we have on defense? How do we wind up with a secondary as bad as it is, and even the linebackers so bad that JH starts? Obviously, the thought crossed my mind that maybe we should!

Yes. I thought he should've been let go a few years ago.

With that said though, I'm not sure who is out there that could/would replace him.

[Captain Lemming]

Found this interesting question and answer on Dulac's chat



Shows how spoiled fans areand how stupid the philosophy of "fire'em" is. Thank goodness the Rooneys don't listen to fans and reason reigns at the top level

"Fire em"'sure works for the Browns doesn't it.

[feltdizz]

Why are people on about Colbert drafting Jarvis Jones, Bud Dupree, and Ryan Shazier? Jones and Dupree were picked *after* they were mocked to go - i.e., they fell to us. Shazier was a first round mock.

It's not like he picked Manziel in the first. These guys have talent, they're not being developed and put in position to succeed. That's not Colbert's job.

Yeah... some of the draft guru fans are a little impatient.

[Oviedo]

Why are people on about Colbert drafting Jarvis Jones, Bud Dupree, and Ryan Shazier? Jones and Dupree were picked *after* they were mocked to go - i.e., they fell to us. Shazier was a first round mock.

It's not like he picked Manziel in the first. These guys have talent, they're not being developed and put in position to succeed. That's not Colbert's job.

Jones is in Year 3 and has shown nothing. He'll get another year but the problem is he was touted as the most ready OLB for the Steelers because of the system he played in college and is producing like a 3rd or 4th round pick.

I think Shazier is showing well except for staying healthy. When he plays he does well.

Dupree has looked solid as a rookie but clearly has faded in the latter parts of the season. IMO he will do well.

I still think we need to get a consistent outside pass rusher at OLB but with less draft picks in 2016 we likely need to hope Dupree takes a major step forward next season and Jones does something close to what was expected for him. IMO former is more likely than the latter.

[RuthlessBurgher]

with less draft picks in 2016

I still expect to have 7 total picks this year. Although we gave up a 5th for Boykin and a 6th for Scobee, we got back a 7th for Wing, and I anticipate a 7th round comp pick for losing McCain in free agency. So that would be our regular picks in rounds 1-4 and then three 7th rounders. We tend to do better with 7th round picks and UDFA's than 5th or 6th round picks (Antonio Brown exlcuded). We tend to draft guys like Terence Frederick and Shaq Richardson in rounds 5 or 6.

[steelnavy]

I was completely expecting to see Carnell Lake named as a suspect on here. Loved him as a player, but the secondary has gone down hill since his arrival in 2011. He was the catalyst for the Shamarko experiment; maybe he has had too much influence during the draft?

[phillyesq]

Well let's examine what you consider non-factual or as you term it a "bold faced lie." Remember this was a quote from Dulac so Unless you also consider him a liar I need some help.

Is it non-factual that they likely will finish 10-6 despite losing 57 manpower games with their best players as Dulac stated and I cited as a quote found below?



Is it non-factual that they will likely finish 10-6...agreed still to be determined but is that a lie?

Is it non-factual that that in Dulac's opinion he is praising the coaching staff, Tomlin included, when he makes the following statement about the challenges they had to deal with?



Isn't the theme of how spoiled we are as fans frequently cited by other posters on this site? Yet you consider me repeating it as "condescending." Are all the other posters also condescending when they post that too?

Is it not true that the Rooneys do not listen to the voice of the fans and decide on a course and steadily remain on that course? So why is referencing that condescending? Isn't that what this organization gets praised for year after year...consistency?

So perhaps you can identify the "bold faced lies" since I don't see any. You may see things that you disagree with but to call them condescending or bold faced lies is really inaccurate isn't it?

Ovi, this is really very simple. The text below is exactly what you said. It wasn't what Dulac said, it was your commentary on Dulac's article. And it is utterly devoid of facts and entirely condescending. Just own what you said and move on.

Shows how spoiled fans areand how stupid the philosophy of "fire'em" is. Thank goodness the Rooneys don't listen to fans and reason reigns at the top level

[phillyesq]

I was completely expecting to see Carnell Lake named as a suspect on here. Loved him as a player, but the secondary has gone down hill since his arrival in 2011. He was the catalyst for the Shamarko experiment; maybe he has had too much influence during the draft?

Seeing Keenan Lewis blossom, I was initially very optimistic about Lake. But since Keenan Lewis, none of the younger players in the secondary have developed. I loved Lake as a player also, but have not been impressed with the secondary under his time as DB coach. Right now, there is a dearth of talent. Mitchell was a second rounder in the Al Davis era (and considered a monumental reach), but the rest of the secondary was 4th round picks or later.

The Steelers should certainly find somebody to give new input for drafting DBs. Whether that is Lake, Tomlin or Colbert, I don't know, but they need a new voice.

[papillon]

IMO, if the Steelers want to really challenge for SB while they still have Ben they need to improve the secondary via free agency. I don't think they can wait for players to develop back there, it hasn't happened yet and IMO there's no reason to believe it will, sadly.

Pappy

[SidSmythe]

Seeing Keenan Lewis blossom, I was initially very optimistic about Lake. But since Keenan Lewis, none of the younger players in the secondary have developed. I loved Lake as a player also, but have not been impressed with the secondary under his time as DB coach. Right now, there is a dearth of talent. Mitchell was a second rounder in the Al Davis era (and considered a monumental reach), but the rest of the secondary was 4th round picks or later.

The Steelers should certainly find somebody to give new input for drafting DBs. Whether that is Lake, Tomlin or Colbert, I don't know, but they need a new voice.

Great players rarely translate into great coaches. I'm also wondering about Joey Porter......but I give him the benefit of the doubt since we was given a piece of garbage and expected to make a pass rusher out of him. Interested to see what becomes of DUPREE.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I was completely expecting to see Carnell Lake named as a suspect on here. Loved him as a player, but the secondary has gone down hill since his arrival in 2011. He was the catalyst for the Shamarko experiment; maybe he has had too much influence during the draft?

How can you argue that the DB coach has too much influence on a draft, when the only DBs selected during his tenure were day 3 picks (the first time we used even a day 2 pick on a DB under Lake is Golson, and he spent his rookie year on IR). The decline in the secondary has way more to do with Ike, Troy, and Clark moving on with their life's work.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

IMO, if the Steelers want to really challenge for SB while they still have Ben they need to improve the secondary via free agency. I don't think they can wait for players to develop back there, it hasn't happened yet and IMO there's no reason to believe it will, sadly.

Pappy

I think you're probably correct. But will this team make any kind of significant free agent move? I have my doubts.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I think you're probably correct. But will this team make any kind of significant free agent move? I have my doubts.

Sign Eric Weddle to start next to Mike Mitchell. There is no way that he returns to San Diego after they fined him for watching his daughter's halftime routine, then putting him on IR and refusing to let him travel with the team for its last game. Then draft a legit 1st round corner to compete with the likes of Gay, Cockrell, and Golson. That sounds like a better secondary to me.

[pittpete]

Probably Weddles last contract. He's probably going to want the house.
Mitchells making $5 mil, wish we replace him with Weddle.