Does anyone think the Steelers should fire ...

[phillyesq]

Found this interesting question and answer on Dulac's chat



Shows how spoiled fans areand how stupid the philosophy of "fire'em" is. Thank goodness the Rooneys don't listen to fans and reason reigns at the top level

As enjoyable as these condescending, lecturing posts from you are for everybody, I do have a few questions for you. Are you happy that Tomlin is owned by our Harbaugh? That the team hasn't won a playoff game since 2010 and is extremely unlikely to win one this year? Do you enjoy mediocrity?

[Slapstick]

As enjoyable as these condescending, lecturing posts from you are for everybody, I do have a few questions for you. Are you happy that Tomlin is owned by our Harbaugh? That the team hasn't won a playoff game since 2010 and is extremely unlikely to win one this year? Do you enjoy mediocrity?

Not nearly as much as some posters enjoy a spoiled sense of entitlement...

Throw in a dash of bags racism here and there for spice...

[phillyesq]

Not nearly as much as some posters enjoy a spoiled sense of entitlement...

Throw in a dash of bags racism here and there for spice...

Sense of entitlement? Since 2000, in what should be the prime years for a franchise QB, the team hasn't won a playoff game. If you are happy with 8-10 wins and maybe a one and done in the playoffs, then good for you. I expect more. That's not entitlement. As your boy Tomlin says, that is the standard that we expect for the Steelers.

[Slapstick]

Sense of entitlement? Since 2000, in what should be the prime years for a franchise QB, the team hasn't won a playoff game. If you are happy with 8-10 wins and maybe a one and done in the playoffs, then good for you. I expect more. That's not entitlement. As your boy Tomlin says, that is the standard that we expect for the Steelers.

No need to be snippy with me, councilor...IF you are guilty, you are far from alone...

[MCHammer]

Archer and Sepulveda were what, 3rd and 4th round picks. Who consistently hits home runs there?

We don't need home runs. We need a secondary that is not an epic liability. An average one would have sufficed this year.

For what it is worth, according to wiki, there were 6 corners or safeties picked between Steeler's 3rd round pick of Archer and 4th round pick of Bryant.

[Slapstick]

We don't need home runs. We need a secondary that is not an epic liability. An average one would have sufficed this year.

For what it is worth, according to wiki, there were 6 corners or safeties picked between Steeler's 3rd round pick of Archer and 4th round pick of Bryant.

One of those was our very own Ross Cockrell...

[RuthlessBurgher]

We don't need home runs. We need a secondary that is not an epic liability. An average one would have sufficed this year.

For what it is worth, according to wiki, there were 6 corners or safeties picked between Steeler's 3rd round pick of Archer and 4th round pick of Bryant.

CB Jaylen Watkins, CB Bashaud Breeland, CB Ross Cockrell, S Maurice Alexander, CB Aaron Colvin, CB Keith McGill. If we took Cockrell instead of Archer there, would that make you feel better? Because that is what we have right now anyway.

[phillyesq]

CB Jaylen Watkins, CB Bashaud Breeland, CB Ross Cockrell, S Maurice Alexander, CB Aaron Colvin, CB Keith McGill. If we took Cockrell instead of Archer there, would that make you feel better? Because that is what we have right now anyway.

Some other guys on the board there were Richard Rodgers, Crocket Gilmore and Devonta Freeman. Any one of whom would have looked nice in black and gold. And De'Anthony Thomas went after Bryant.

Of course, you could also be the Jets, and take 2 fourth round WRs before Bryant, neither of whom are on the team anymore.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Kevin Colbert? I mean, is he responsible for signing the dog meat talent we have on defense? How do we wind up with a secondary as bad as it is, and even the linebackers so bad that JH starts? Obviously, the thought crossed my mind that maybe we should!

He is also responsible for drafting the filet mignon talent we have on offense as well, though. And it's not as if he's never been able to draft defense. He was the one who drafted Casey Hampton and Brett Keisel, drafted Larry Foote, Lawrence Timmons, and LaMarr Woodley, signed James Harrison as an UDFA, brought in James Farrior from the Jets, drafted Troy Polamalu, Chris Hope, Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden, and William Gay, and brought in Ryan Clark from the Skins. Those were all Colbert guys.

[MCHammer]

CB Jaylen Watkins, CB Bashaud Breeland, CB Ross Cockrell, S Maurice Alexander, CB Aaron Colvin, CB Keith McGill. If we took Cockrell instead of Archer there, would that make you feel better? Because that is what we have right now anyway.

Yes, actually, it would make me feel better because it would then not have been a completely wasted pick on a gimmick player.

[Shoe]

If I owned the Steelers, I wouldn't fire Colbert, but I'd sure have a talk with him about the way he neglected the secondary for so many years. But then, I'd bring the HC in, and make sure the two are on the same page.

• I don't think it has been neglect. The circumstances just compound on each other, from weak pass-rushes to failed contracts to aging to lack of available (draft) talent.
• I think if we have a stronger pass-rush these past five years, the secondary doesn't look so bad.
• I felt EVERYONE (including fans here) were jumping on the Tez Allen bandwagon WAY too early
• Ike and Troy were gifted contracts based on past performance
• When we've drafted, we haven't reached on players (a positive, really)

[winwithd]

I think the Archer pick was wasted only because they did nothing with him after they got him. I'd prefer him a thousand times over a washed up Jacoby Jones. How do Wheaton's return numbers this year compare to what Archer did? I think they are now using Bryant in ways on offense, like the reverses, in ways Archer could have been used. Archer does not have the size of Bryant but he probably has better hands. The Cards have a speed guy even smaller than Archer, JJ Nelson, and find a way to use him. I think Archer must have had behind the scenes issues with the coaches that led to his release because I don't think his 'lack of production', given the small sample size and limited opportunity warranted getting cut in less than 2 seasons.

[feltdizz]

I think the Archer pick was wasted only because they did nothing with him after they got him. I'd prefer him a thousand times over a washed up Jacoby Jones. How do Wheaton's return numbers this year compare to what Archer did? I think they are now using Bryant in ways on offense, like the reverses, in ways Archer could have been used. Archer does not have the size of Bryant but he probably has better hands. The Cards have a speed guy even smaller than Archer, JJ Nelson, and find a way to use him. I think Archer must have had behind the scenes issues with the coaches that led to his release because I don't think his 'lack of production', given the small sample size and limited opportunity warranted getting cut in less than 2 seasons.

All of this... but i guess its a wasted pick if we refuse to give him touches in our offense.

first play of the preseason was a screen to Archer for 51 yards.

[papillon]

Since I don't really know how managing the personnel of the Steelers is handled its difficult to say what to do. If I were the owners, the draft and personnel moves would be a collaborative effort between ownership, the GM, the cap guru, the head coach and the two coordinators. Those 6 people need to be on the same page and they each bring their own area of expertise to the process, the actual final decisions should be ownership and the GM after very lengthy and detailed discussions within that small circle of management. Overall the Steelers are successful and I don't really see any reason to fire any of those individuals unless they are being insubordinate or they have determined that they want to move on with their life's work. There really hasn't been enough failure of great magnitude to consider relieving them of their duties.

Pappy

[Slapstick]

Since I don't really know how managing the personnel of the Steelers is handled its difficult to say what to do. If I were the owners, the draft and personnel moves would be a collaborative effort between ownership, the GM, the cap guru, the head coach and the two coordinators. Those 6 people need to be on the same page and they each bring their own area of expertise to the process, the actual final decisions should be ownership and the GM after very lengthy and detailed discussions within that small circle of management. Overall the Steelers are successful and I don't really see any reason to fire any of those individuals unless they are being insubordinate or they have determined that they want to move on with their life's work. There really hasn't been enough failure of great magnitude to consider relieving them of their duties.

Pappy

A well reasoned response.