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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35649

    #16
    Kaboly: Steelers can’t lose sight of Jarvis Jones in wake of James Harrison’s return

    March 23, 2015 by Mark Kaboly



    PHOENIX — James Harrison is back.

    Good for him. Good for his family. Good for the fans.

    But is it good for the Steelers? Well, that all depends.

    After hearing Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert talk on Sunday about the reasons why the organization felt (in an offseason where they eradicated, or are in the process of eradicating all the 30-plus year-olds from their defense) the need to bring back the second oldest defensive player in the league, they indeed have the right mindset.

    Harrison provides a veteran presence in a locker room that is now void of the likes of Ike Taylor, Brett Keisel and likely Troy Polamalu. He provides depth and he provides a pretty rock-solid insurance policy in case of an injury.

    If – and it’s a big if – the Steelers follow that plan, Harrison’s return will have nothing but positive ramifications on the team. Now, deviate from that, and the signing will instantly turn counterproductive.

    Harrison’s signing can’t cut into Jarvis Jones’ development this year – a very important year for the former first-round pick. Anything short of a total and utter disaster by Jones week-after-week should keep him on the field in lieu of Harrison.

    That’s sometimes easier said than done, especially when it comes to the Steelers. The win-now-at-all-costs mentality by Mike Tomlin sometimes isn’t the best way to go about building confidence for young guys.

    The Steelers need to find out about Jones now. Not next year or the year after. Right now, they just don’t know what they have with him. They could have a Pro Bowler right in front of them or another Huey Richardson. Again, they don’t know and they won’t know unless they give Jones and entire uninterrupted year to truly evaluate him.

    Jones’ rookie year was like, well, like a lot of player’s rookie years – up and down. Then last year, he looked pretty good in the 10 quarters he played before suffering a dislocated wrist that forced him to miss 10 weeks.

    Mind you, that’s not only games, but 10 weeks of practice. When he finally came back, Tomlin deferred to Harrison. The final two weeks of the regular season and the wild-card playoff game, Harrison played 87, 95 and 91 percent of the defensive snaps. Jones played 12, 4 and 9 percent during the same span.

    It happened with Brett Keisel, too. The Steelers planned on using him about a dozen snaps per game when he returned before the start of last year but ended up routinely playing 40 snaps a game.

    Don’t get me wrong, Harrison can be a valuable one-the-field piece as well … if used correctly. Used correctly means limiting his snaps.

    It doesn’t matter if Harrison doesn’t have a lot of wear and tear on his body. The fact is that he’s the second oldest defensive player in the league behind Charles Woodson. There is a reason for that, you know.

    Harrison can’t take the load of 1,000 snaps anymore. Actually, 500 may be pushing it and the Steelers know that.

    At least Colbert alluded to it.

    “I think you have to be careful with any type of player at that age, except a quarterback, you have to be careful so as to not – I guess you have to be careful so as to maximize their abilities and have them be contributors over 16 games and hopefully a postseason season,” Colbert said.

    If the Steelers stick to that plan, the signing is great.

    If the first sign of Jones struggling finds him losing snaps to Harrison, regardless of production, then it’s a terrible signing.

    [URL]http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2015/03/23/kaboly-steelers-cant-lose-sight-of-jarvis-jones-in-wake-of-james-harrisons-return/#ixzz3VEngJ1w1[/URL]

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    • Ghost
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 6338

      #17
      This signing says absolutely nothing about Jones. The Steelers need more than one OLB and right now they have zero backups with experience. Now they have a guy who's close to being a second coach working with the new Defensive coordinator as well as contributing limited plays to keep him fresh.

      This is was a low cost, no brainier. What other FA were they going to get who could step right in. And he's better than any 3rd or 4th rounder they could draft.

      The author (using term loosely) was just looking to belly ache.
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      • Eddie Spaghetti
        Hall of Famer
        • Jul 2008
        • 4123

        #18
        ovi is right here and it really doesnt come across as hate, like it does DL. sorry man, you have a problem there

        this signing really does say something about where jones is within the building. they dont trust him, as well they shouldnt

        JJ been a big disappointment up to this point. not saying he cant write his own story going forward, but the odds are getting longer, imo

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        • hawaiiansteel
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 35649

          #19
          Mark Kaboly @MarkKaboly_Trib -

          Tomlin on Jarvis size "I'd like him to do whatever he needs to do to be effective."

          Tomlin said the OLB position -- both sides -- "is murky as metal. Everything is an open competition."


          [URL]https://twitter.com/MarkKaboly_Trib[/URL]

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          • Flasteel
            Hall of Famer
            • May 2008
            • 4004

            #20
            Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
            Every team needs depth, and before signing Harrison, our backups at OLB behind Jarvis Jones and Arthur Moats are Howard Jones, Jordan Zumwalt, and Shawn Lemon...who have ZERO NFL experience between the 3 of them. Experienced depth is an asset, and we just signed the best available OLB free agent at this point in the free signing period.
            Exactly.

            In my opinion though, it's about even more than that. Who's going to be the starter at LOLB? We need a guy or some combination of guys able to set the edge on the strong side and be able to get to the quarterback. Even if Jones had proven himself to be a stud at this point, is anyone happy with the options left to fill the void on the other side?

            I'm not.

            The reality of the situation however, means that either Harrison or Jones is going to get a lot of reps on the left side. At this point, no player can lay claim to have a lock on the right side and whoever loses that battle is bound to split a lot of reps with Moates on the left. We might even see Jones, Harrison, Moates, and (hopefully) a highly-drafted rookie rotate freely at both linebacker spots. I like the sound of that actually.
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            • Discipline of Steel
              Hall of Famer
              • Aug 2008
              • 3882

              #21
              Sounds like the plan. and if one guy goes down, we are still pretty well covered.
              No more glaring hole at OLB...now onto the CB position!!!
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              • papillon
                Legend
                • Mar 2008
                • 11340

                #22
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                It's not "irrational" to withhold anointing a player as the next great thing until they actually prove it on the field. It's is rational skepticism. Everyone wants to think I "hate" Jones, but that is far from the truth. Jones has to be wildly successful or my team will struggle. That said, I actually watched Jones in college and the same things I saw then I see now: high motor player, no speed or burst to turn the end on an OT, can't beat good OTs on a regular basis.

                IMO his pursuit and play against the run makes him a better ILB in our defense than playing the premier pass rushing position in our defense...that is a problem
                Ovi, who on this board has anointed Jones as anything other than a 1st round pick that they are willing to give time to develop into what the Steelers hoped he would be when they drafted him? It makes little or no sense to give up on him before his 1st contract is up, the rookie contracts are limited in amount paid that these guys are going to get the benefit of the doubt throughout their first contract. What would be the purpose in ditching him already without giving him the chance to improve his game? Its much more cost effective now than in the past.

                Pappy
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                The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                • Chadman
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 6537

                  #23
                  Originally posted by papillon
                  Ovi, who on this board has anointed Jones as anything other than a 1st round pick that they are willing to give time to develop into what the Steelers hoped he would be when they drafted him? It makes little or no sense to give up on him before his 1st contract is up, the rookie contracts are limited in amount paid that these guys are going to get the benefit of the doubt throughout their first contract. What would be the purpose in ditching him already without giving him the chance to improve his game? Its much more cost effective now than in the past.

                  Pappy
                  That was me Pap. I think Jones is the greatest OLB in Steelers history based on his potential to be so.


                  Sorry....
                  The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                  Light up the darkness.

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                  • Slapstick
                    Rookie
                    • May 2008
                    • 0

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Chadman
                    That was me Pap. I think Jones is the greatest OLB in Steelers history based on his potential to be so.


                    Sorry....
                    You ever hear of Lambert? Lloyd? Porter? Harrison?

                    Sissies...compared to Jones...
                    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                    • papillon
                      Legend
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 11340

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Chadman
                      That was me Pap. I think Jones is the greatest OLB in Steelers history based on his potential to be so.


                      Sorry....
                      Okay, so one member on the board lost his marbles and anointed him the greatest ever, those in the northern hemisphere aren't quite as excited about his prospects.

                      Pappy
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                      The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft

                      1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
                      3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
                      3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
                      4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
                      5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
                      7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia

                      "Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount

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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27531

                        #26
                        I wouldn't be surprised if Jones gets cut in camp.

                        Remember, you heard it here first.
                        Steelers 27
                        Rats 16

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                        • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 10281

                          #27
                          Jarvis Jones is just as much the story in all of this. James Harrison re-signing with the Steelers (twice now) speaks to the deep disappointment that Jones has been in his time with the team.
                          Ummm...wasn't Harrison only signed last year after Jones went down to injury? Does not sound to me like he was signed due to deep disappointment in Jones.
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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27531

                            #28
                            Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                            Ummm...wasn't Harrison only signed last year after Jones went down to injury? Does not sound to me like he was signed due to deep disappointment in Jones.
                            stop using facts...
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #29
                              Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                              Ummm...wasn't Harrison only signed last year after Jones went down to injury? Does not sound to me like he was signed due to deep disappointment in Jones.
                              Signed last year after Jarvis Jones was placed on injured reserve (designated to return).

                              Signed this year after Jason Worilds decided to ring doorbells instead of subjecting quarterbacks from getting their bells rung (designated not to return).
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                              • Shawn
                                Legend
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 15131

                                #30
                                Originally posted by feltdizz
                                I wouldn't be surprised if Jones gets cut in camp.

                                Remember, you heard it here first.
                                Is this sarcasm?
                                Trolls are people too.

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