Bruce Arians

[hawaiiansteel]

Since 2007 Ben has had three seasons of 19, 17, and 16, passes attempted on 3rd and 1 or 2.

Two of those seasons, are with Todd Haley as OC.

I would change the that pic to reflect a more accurate statement.

Happy New Year Crash!

[Shawn]

You're right it's not.

1. Whiz

2 Arians

3. Haley

Nonsense. Crash is this you?

[steelnavy]

Same to you friend.

Since we want to compare OC's, here's one:

1st quarter TD passes for Ben, three years each OC:

Whiz: 20 in 40 starts.

Arians: 16 in 46 starts.

Haley: 11 in 45 starts.

Haley has the least amount of first quarter production out of Ben, not surprisingly, he also has the least amount of regular season wins, and only one playoff berth with Ben.

By all means, if you want to compare OC's, compare the context of the numbers as well.

Regular season wins are a reflection of the entire team. Try adding the D rankings over those years for "context"...

[feltdizz]

Not trying to knock Haley because this offense is the best I have seen in years. However, we also have the best RB and best WR we have ever seen and the game is set up for big numbers on O due to the rule changes.

my only issue is the misremembering when it comes to Arians.

[SteelCrazy]

I remember being ticked off at Arians most of the time. I remember 3 straight running plays inside the 5. I remember 6 straight running plays inside the 5 after a penalty gave us a fresh set. I remember Ben getting sacked a lot. I remember a lot of posters hating Arians with a passion. I remember a Defense carrying an Offense and certain posters claiming Ben was the reason we won. The facts are Ben is having his best stats of his career and Arians is in Arizona getting his QB's killed.

[hawaiiansteel]

I would have to go:

1. Haley

2. Whiz

3. Arians

[SteelCrazy]

I would have to go:

1. Haley

2. Whiz

3. Arians

I would have to agree

[feltdizz]

I remember being ticked off at Arians most of the time. I remember 3 straight running plays inside the 5. I remember 6 straight running plays inside the 5 after a penalty gave us a fresh set. I remember Ben getting sacked a lot. I remember a lot of posters hating Arians with a passion. I remember a Defense carrying an Offense and certain posters claiming Ben was the reason we won. The facts are Ben is having his best stats of his career and Arians is in Arizona getting his QB's killed.

Do you remember all the long pass plays to Wallace? All the scripted plays to start a game that resulted in TD's? Making the most out of a horrible OL?

It's easy to remember all the bad if that's all you want to remember... it's also the easiest way to look like a fool when a person like Crash throws out hard numbers that blow holes in an argument.

Arians is 11-4 and last year he was coach of the year... pretty sure a lot of teams would love to have their QB's killed into an 11-4 record.

[SteelCrazy]

Do you remember all the long pass plays to Wallace? All the scripted plays to start a game that resulted in TD's? Making the most out of a horrible OL?

It's easy to remember all the bad if that's all you want to remember... it's also the easiest way to look like a fool when a person like Crash throws out hard numbers that blow holes in an argument.

Arians is 11-4 and last year he was coach of the year... pretty sure a lot of teams would love to have their QB's killed into an 11-4 record.

Lord knows TD's scored in the 1st Quarter is how you win games.

[fezziwig]

I thought the same about Arians and quarterback injuries. Before Haley, Ben held onto the ball until the last second, no run game, sacks after sacks. Haley contributes to Ben remaining healthy and our offense doing so well. Under Haley, Ben can throw the dump off passes, Heath seems to be more involved with things that allows Ben to remain more protective. Arians is a quarterback killer.

[feltdizz]

Lord knows TD's scored in the 1st Quarter is how you win games.

oh, so now it's about winning games? who has won more games the last 3 years, Haley or Arians?

you can knock Arians but the numbers don't lie. He is a damn good coach.

[feltdizz]

I thought the same about Arians and quarterback injuries. Before Haley, Ben held onto the ball until the last second, no run game, sacks after sacks. Haley contributes to Ben remaining healthy and our offense doing so well. Under Haley, Ben can throw the dump off passes, Heath seems to be more involved with things that allows Ben to remain more protective. Arians is a quarterback killer.

True... and when you have Bell it's EASY to have a running game and dump off the ball. What did Haley do with Redman and Dwyer?

I love what Haley is doing but it's idiotic to act like BA had Bell and didn't know how to use him. Haley also has Munchak who has improved our OL. He is making the most of what he has so he gets kudos but let's not act like Haley came in on day 1 and turned water to wine.

[fezziwig]

Arians had better defenses to help the team along. Hines Ward, Wallace and other good receivers. Even if we had Bell, Arians would not have used him.

[hawaiiansteel]

[feltdizz]

Arians had better defenses to help the team along. Hines Ward, Wallace and other good receivers. Even if we had Bell, Arians would not have used him.

yeah.. that doesn't make any sense... lol