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  • steelz09
    Administrator
    • Jan 2008
    • 4675

    #76
    Originally posted by sick beats
    If you knew my background, you'd be red-faced embarrassed. Talk about embarrassing.
    I don't care who you are... where you are... what you are. Does that clarify things for you?
    Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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    • steelz09
      Administrator
      • Jan 2008
      • 4675

      #77
      Originally posted by Steelhere10
      I'm going to say this then stay out of the discussion, first off I am from Georgia and I don't care for college football but believe me I work with hundreds of Bulldog fans. And I asked them all what they think about JJ and most of them liked him but most if not all of them said that he needs to get stronger for the NFL. NOW ON TO WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TODAY ON Black N GOLD radio. They had different host and guest on different segments including David Todd, Mark Madden , Stan Savaran was the host asking different guest including Mark WILLIAMSON NFL scout, Mark Kaboly covers the Steelers and one other name that I forget and the question kept coming up about who are the players that most concern them. Which was McClendon, JJ , Cortez and Mike M. And the only two that was not defended by not one of the guest was Mitchel and JJ . So it seems to me that their are plenty that are concerned by JJ play.
      Mark Madden and Kaboly. What an all-star lineup that is. Out of this list, McClendon is my biggest worry. He's not a starting 3-4 NT. It's that simple. I'm also concerned that just like last year, teams can run right down our throat.. particularly on the left side of the defense... the same side that Worilds is on. Moving Heyward over to that side should help out the situation.
      Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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      • hawaiiansteel
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 35651

        #78
        Originally posted by steelz09
        I'm also concerned that just like last year, teams can run right down our throat.. particularly on the left side of the defense... the same side that Worilds is on. Moving Heyward over to that side should help out the situation.
        yup, I'm sure the Steelers coaching staff noticed that fact and why Keisel was ultimately re-signed...

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        • Shawn
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          #79
          Originally posted by steelz09
          I don't care who you are... where you are... what you are. Does that clarify things for you?
          He's a big boy wearing big boy pants...don't you know?
          Trolls are people too.

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          • Shawn
            Legend
            • Mar 2008
            • 15131

            #80
            Originally posted by sick beats
            Another personal attack that is against board rules. I deem Shawn as "Drunk Club" from this point forward.
            Really, is that the best you got? Listen, we all know you can't joke around or have a good time because you are insecure...but maybe if you lighten up a bit you could get along a little better with the members here. It might even be possible for you to be a quality member instead of engaging in daily douchebaggery.
            Trolls are people too.

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27564

              #81
              Originally posted by Steelhere10
              I'm going to say this then stay out of the discussion, first off I am from Georgia and I don't care for college football but believe me I work with hundreds of Bulldog fans. And I asked them all what they think about JJ and most of them liked him but most if not all of them said that he needs to get stronger for the NFL. NOW ON TO WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TODAY ON Black N GOLD radio. They had different host and guest on different segments including David Todd, Mark Madden , Stan Savaran was the host asking different guest including Mark WILLIAMSON NFL scout, Mark Kaboly covers the Steelers and one other name that I forget and the question kept coming up about who are the players that most concern them. Which was McClendon, JJ , Cortez and Mike M. And the only two that was not defended by not one of the guest was Mitchel and JJ . So it seems to me that their are plenty that are concerned by JJ play.
              dude... really?
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27564

                #82
                Originally posted by DukieBoy
                Who is that #95? He looks real good.
                oh, it's some guy with 1 year of experience who has shown nothing.

                we should all be concerned about him because it's clear he has been manhandled on every play.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • Shawn
                  Legend
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 15131

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Steelhere10
                  I'm going to say this then stay out of the discussion, first off I am from Georgia and I don't care for college football but believe me I work with hundreds of Bulldog fans. And I asked them all what they think about JJ and most of them liked him but most if not all of them said that he needs to get stronger for the NFL. NOW ON TO WHAT WAS DISCUSSED TODAY ON Black N GOLD radio. They had different host and guest on different segments including David Todd, Mark Madden , Stan Savaran was the host asking different guest including Mark WILLIAMSON NFL scout, Mark Kaboly covers the Steelers and one other name that I forget and the question kept coming up about who are the players that most concern them. Which was McClendon, JJ , Cortez and Mike M. And the only two that was not defended by not one of the guest was Mitchel and JJ . So it seems to me that their are plenty that are concerned by JJ play.
                  That's because they are not paying attention. I refuse to believe another person's analysis until I see a player with my own eyes. I watch JJ. Could he play stronger? Sure. But, much of the bull rush isn't shear power, it's about knowing when to use power. What I mean is it's a timing thing, knowing when to put hands on the OLman at a point of imbalance. If you watch JJ, you will see times where displays the ability to collapse the pocket. Others where he is stone walled. Did he get weaker or stronger between plays? No, it's because he timed up an OLman and was able to catch him off balance. Much of that is set up with a variety of pass rush moves. It's why Worilds has improved dramatically. I have little doubt that JJ will bloom into a terrific OLB for us. I see more than flashes of very good ability. He needs more moves, strength, and experience all of which will improve his consistency.
                  Trolls are people too.

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                  • K Train
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 3685

                    #84
                    Jones was definitely technically unsound as a rookie....good news is, thats extremely correctable

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                    • hausparty
                      Backup
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 308

                      #85
                      and yet he still made a ton of splash plays last year! Watch the highlight film and you will quickly see he has the ability to change the outcome of a game.

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                      • feltdizz
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 27564

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Shawn
                        That's because they are not paying attention. I refuse to believe another person's analysis until I see a player with my own eyes. I watch JJ. Could he play stronger? Sure. But, much of the bull rush isn't shear power, it's about knowing when to use power. What I mean is it's a timing thing, knowing when to put hands on the OLman at a point of imbalance. If you watch JJ, you will see times where displays the ability to collapse the pocket. Others where he is stone walled. Did he get weaker or stronger between plays? No, it's because he timed up an OLman and was able to catch him off balance. Much of that is set up with a variety of pass rush moves. It's why Worilds has improved dramatically. I have little doubt that JJ will bloom into a terrific OLB for us. I see more than flashes of very good ability. He needs more moves, strength, and experience all of which will improve his consistency.
                        ..and the OT's get paid top dollar to counter everything JJ tries to do and sometimes they will get the best of him.
                        Steelers 27
                        Rats 16

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                        • SteelerOfDeVille
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 9069

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Eifert probably can't play OLB, but pretty certain he is grading out higher as a TE in the NFL than Jones is as an OLB.

                          Still not sure however why you continually want to spin this into a mock draft debate and refuse to focus on the performance of Jones on the field. Nevermind, given what he has done I do understand your need for a stalking horse.
                          And Ertz will be better... as I called last year.... and coulda been had with a trade down (went early second)... just sayin
                          2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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                          • sick beats
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 2144

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Drunk Club
                            That's because they are not paying attention. I refuse to believe another person's analysis until I see a player with my own eyes. I watch JJ. Could he play stronger? Sure. But, much of the bull rush isn't shear power, it's about knowing when to use power. What I mean is it's a timing thing, knowing when to put hands on the OLman at a point of imbalance. If you watch JJ, you will see times where displays the ability to collapse the pocket. Others where he is stone walled. Did he get weaker or stronger between plays? No, it's because he timed up an OLman and was able to catch him off balance. Much of that is set up with a variety of pass rush moves. It's why Worilds has improved dramatically. I have little doubt that JJ will bloom into a terrific OLB for us. I see more than flashes of very good ability. He needs more moves, strength, and experience all of which will improve his consistency.
                            Every single time I have seen him attempt a bull rush he gets stone walled, like a BB bouncing off the Queen Mary. So, your theory is rubbish. You say, "he needs to get stronger" well, WTF has he been doing for 2 years? Seemingly nothing. When will he "get around" to getting stronger? Next year? 2 years? This is the 3-4; if your OLB are fail at rushing the QB, then you are doomed. Worilds seems to have _some_ pass rushing ability, but if JJ doesn't, this D is toast. From what I have been seeing, JJ is not any stronger than he was a year ago and that disappoints me. I assumed (and hoped) he would show up stronger and bigger. It didn't happen.

                            JJ should look more like Pat, but he never will. He obviously doesn't hit the weights enough.

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                            • sick beats
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Dec 2013
                              • 2144

                              #89
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              ..and the OT's get paid top dollar to counter everything JJ tries to do and sometimes they will get the best of him.
                              Sometimes? More like almost every time. Use the peepers, they will tell you the truth.

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                              • K Train
                                Hall of Famer
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 3685

                                #90
                                Originally posted by sick beats
                                Every single time I have seen him attempt a bull rush he gets stone walled, like a BB bouncing off the Queen Mary. So, your theory is rubbish. You say, "he needs to get stronger" well, WTF has he been doing for 2 years? Seemingly nothing. When will he "get around" to getting stronger? Next year? 2 years? This is the 3-4; if your OLB are fail at rushing the QB, then you are doomed. Worilds seems to have _some_ pass rushing ability, but if JJ doesn't, this D is toast. From what I have been seeing, JJ is not any stronger than he was a year ago and that disappoints me. I assumed (and hoped) he would show up stronger and bigger. It didn't happen.

                                JJ should look more like Pat, but he never will. He obviously doesn't hit the weights enough.

                                I just post clips of him bull rushing Ferguson (pushing him backwards easily) and Thomas (putting him on his ass) but you still go with the dramatics of saying "every time"

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