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  • SteelCrazy
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    • Aug 2008
    • 5049

    #76
    Adjustments mid game that are successful are rare because the most simplistic Defense could stop the most advanced Offense if only execution was flawless or near flawless. Age has nothing to do with the success of our D when it comes to LeBeau.
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    • Captain Lemming
      Legend
      • Jun 2008
      • 16041

      #77
      Originally posted by Slapstick
      Rankings are a reflection of scheme...

      Sacks and turnovers are a reflection of individual players...

      When you have both together, you have the great Steelers' defenses of the past...

      When we had Woodley and Harrison performing like they did when they were the leading sack duo in the NFL, nobody said, "LeBeau is a genius!" because those guys were getting sacks...credit went to Harrison and Woodley for making outstanding individual plays...when Troy jumped over the offensive line to stop a running back, nobody called LeBeau a genius...

      When the Steelers D ranked #1 in 2012 despite aging players and decreasing talent (leading to decreasing sacks and turnovers), I called LeBeau a genius...
      Money post
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      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

      TCFCLTC-
      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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      • Captain Lemming
        Legend
        • Jun 2008
        • 16041

        #78
        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
        Aww, shucks....thanks man. It was a minor annoyance when the outliers starting using it, but I figured I should say something once it started to become more commonplace among our regular here. Thumbs up, brother!
        Looking at the timing of yiour complaint, likely a reaction to ME.
        Do notice I used quotes around the word "leboo" to say in effect "that's what the haters call him" while defending the guy.
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        In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

        TCFCLTC-
        The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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        • MrSandman
          Rookie
          • Jun 2014
          • 9

          #79
          Yeah money post indeed.

          Getting shredded by Matt Hasselbeck and Carson Palmer, genius work. Having James Harrison, on a bad leg, covering tight ends 1 on 1 in the 4th quarter on a short week, genius work.

          Giving up 13 scores, in the first 5 games, following scores by the Steelers OFFENSE, genius work.

          You guys are more worried about LeBeau's BS reputation, than you are about team success.

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          • Captain Lemming
            Legend
            • Jun 2008
            • 16041

            #80
            Originally posted by MrSandman
            You guys are more worried about LeBeau's BS reputation, than you are about team success.
            TEAM Success Team success? I'll giver you team success.
            THIRTY FIVE SEASONS since the last Noll SB victory.

            TWENTY THREE seasons without Lebeau as DC........ZERO superbowl appearances.

            ONLY WITH LEBEAU have we sniffed the superbowl.

            Lebeau had different head coaches, different QBs, different GMs, entirely different rosters, heck different Rooneys as team president.

            Four superbowls in 12 years as our DC.

            One in every THREE seasons with Lebeau as DC ended in a superbowl. 23 other season ZIP.

            Cowher has DL as DC for only 5 seasons. During those 5 seasons came Cowhers best three seasons as coach. Two superbowl appearances and another season with the best record (15-1) in Steeler history.

            Tomlin INHERITED THAT GUY as his DC and had his own SB win in year 2.

            You say you wanna win? Dont let irrational Lebeau hatred blind you from the facts.
            TWENTY THREE seasons w/o Lebeau as DC ZERO superbowl appearances.

            12 with him NOT ONLY resulted in HALF of those being number one in scoring or yards.

            Wins baby, wins.

            Four superbowls AND another season with the best record in team history.

            The five most successful post 70s Steelers seasons featured DL as DC.

            If those stats mean nothing how come a DICK LEBEAU led defense been the ONE CONSTANT in EVERY LAST ONE of the MOST SUCCESSFUL SEASONS in the last 35 years?
            Last edited by Captain Lemming; 06-27-2014, 01:46 AM.
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            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

            TCFCLTC-
            The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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            • MrSandman
              Rookie
              • Jun 2014
              • 9

              #81
              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
              TEAM Success Team success? I'll giver you team success.
              THIRTY FIVE SEASONS since the last Noll SB victory.
              TWENTY THREE seasons w/o Lebeau as DC ZERO superbowl appearances.

              ONLY WITH LEBEAU have we sniffed the superbowl.

              He did it with different head coaches, different QBs, different GMs, heck different Rooneys as team president.

              Four superbowls in 12 years.
              One is every THREE seasons with Lebeau as DC ended in a superbowl.
              23 other season ZIP.

              Cowher has DL as DC for only 5 seasons. During those 5 seasons came Cowhers best three seasons as coach. Two superbowl appearances and another season with the best record (15-1) in Steeler history.

              Tomlin INHERITED THAT GUY as his DC and had his own SB win in year 2.

              You say you wanna win? Dont let irrational Lebeau hatred blind you from the facts.
              TWENTY THREE seasons w/o Lebeau as DC ZERO superbowl appearances.

              12 with him NOT ONLY resulted in HALF of those being number one in scoring or yards.

              Wins baby, wins.

              If those stats mean nothing how come a DICK LEBEAU led defense been the ONE CONSTANT in EVERY LAST ONE of the MOST SUCCESSFUL SEASONS in the last 35 years?
              [url]http://m.nbcsports.com/content/kacsmar-dont-believe-hype-steelers-d[/url]

              Read it, and weep.

              And if "wins baby wins", is all that matters? Then Art Rooney II owes Ben Roethlisberger, and especially Bruce Arians, an engraved apology.

              Oh btw, the 1995 defense? Sucked ass for most of the year against good offenses, and what happened in the AFC title game? That defense blew a 4th quarter lead, only to see the offense go down the field and save him.

              4th

              Colts Floyd Turner 47 yard pass from Jim Harbaugh (Cary Blanchard kick) 16 13
              Steelers Bam Morris 1 yard rush (Norm Johnson kick) 16 20

              Imagine that.
              Last edited by MrSandman; 06-27-2014, 02:56 AM.

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27531

                #82
                Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                Did you happen to notice that you personally chose 4 of the poor players Tomlin drafted in your own signature?

                I would congratulate you on getting so many correct, but you'd probably take it as an insult that our sucky front office took these guys.

                Those are squids picks, not Tomlins
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #83
                  Originally posted by TrickyDickie44
                  Make no mistake LeBeau and Mitchell run this defense.

                  Stop blaming Tomlin, if anything you can blame him for giving LeBeau too much free reign and not wanting to step on the old man's toes.
                  This I agree with. LeBeau has been allowed to do whatever he wants whether it is working or not. Change and a fresh perspective is rarely a bad thing and it is time on defense.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • Slapstick
                    Rookie
                    • May 2008
                    • 0

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    This I agree with. LeBeau has been allowed to do whatever he wants whether it is working or not. Change and a fresh perspective is rarely a bad thing and it is time on defense.
                    I agree. Thank goodness the draft addresses this so LeBeau can do his work...
                    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                    • MrSandman
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 9

                      #85
                      And when those guys are sitting? Then what?

                      When they sign Brett Keisel and he's starting? Then what?

                      Same ol' song.

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                      • RuthlessBurgher
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 33208

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                        Looking at the timing of yiour complaint, likely a reaction to ME.
                        Do notice I used quotes around the word "leboo" to say in effect "that's what the haters call him" while defending the guy.
                        As long as you don't use "air quotes."

                        Unless, of course, you are Dr. Evil...then it's okay...throw me a frickin bone here...

                        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                        • Captain Lemming
                          Legend
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 16041

                          #87
                          Originally posted by MrSandman
                          [URL]http://m.nbcsports.com/content/kacsmar-dont-believe-hype-steelers-d[/URL]

                          Read it, and weep.

                          And if "wins baby wins", is all that matters? Then Art Rooney II owes Ben Roethlisberger, and especially Bruce Arians, an engraved apology.

                          Oh btw, the 1995 defense? Sucked ass for most of the year against good offenses, and what happened in the AFC title game? That defense blew a 4th quarter lead, only to see the offense go down the field and save him.

                          4th

                          Colts Floyd Turner 47 yard pass from Jim Harbaugh (Cary Blanchard kick) 16 13
                          Steelers Bam Morris 1 yard rush (Norm Johnson kick) 16 20

                          Imagine that.
                          In that title game Indy was held without a touchdown UNTIL the one score you mentioned. Had we lost while scoring a measly 13 points you blame the defense? Yeah we had a touchdown to regain the lead. That make NOD some kind of hero? I say IT WAS ABOUT TIME the offense did its job. We win 20-16, I say the defense had the better game.

                          We lose 7-0 on a 4th quarter score you blame DL too?

                          Hey, since 79 how many Super Bowls has this team had without DL? ZERO.
                          During the 12 seasons Lebeau was our DC NO TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can match the success of the Steelers.
                          sigpic



                          In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                          TCFCLTC-
                          The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                          • MirrorMan
                            Banned
                            • Jun 2014
                            • 10

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                            In that title game Indy was held without a touchdown UNTIL the one score you mentioned. Had we lost while scoring a measly 13 points you blame the defense? Yeah we had a touchdown to regain the lead. That make NOD some kind of hero? I say IT WAS ABOUT TIME the offense did its job. We win 20-16, I say the defense had the better game.

                            We lose 7-0 on a 4th quarter score you blame DL too?

                            Hey, since 79 how many Super Bowls has this team had without DL? ZERO.
                            During the 12 seasons Lebeau was our DC NO TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can match the success of the Steelers.
                            1995 the Steelers were a top 10 passing team, the only year in Bill Cowher's first 10, that were so.

                            2005, 2008, 2010 they had a franchise QB.

                            What has LeBeau ever won in his career, anywhere, without a franchise QB? NOTHING.

                            That article by Mr. Kacsmar speaks for itself. That covers LeBeau's entire body of work.

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                            • dizzfelt
                              Banned
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 16

                              #89
                              sorry but you cannot deny stats like this:

                              Since 2007, Pittsburgh’s defense has allowed 20 game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime, which is tied with Green Bay for the league's second most.

                              Since 2009, the Steelers have allowed four game-winning touchdowns in the last 0:32 of the fourth quarter. From 1990-2008, the Steelers had allowed only two game-winning touchdowns in the last 60 seconds of the fourth quarter (both vs. Cincinnati).

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                              How do you want your defense to be remembered? Great stats or great moments?

                              ^^^^ ouch^^^^

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                              • dizzfelt
                                Banned
                                • Jun 2014
                                • 16

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                                In that title game Indy was held without a touchdown UNTIL the one score you mentioned. Had we lost while scoring a measly 13 points you blame the defense? Yeah we had a touchdown to regain the lead. That make NOD some kind of hero? I say IT WAS ABOUT TIME the offense did its job. We win 20-16, I say the defense had the better game.

                                We lose 7-0 on a 4th quarter score you blame DL too?

                                Hey, since 79 how many Super Bowls has this team had without DL? ZERO.
                                During the 12 seasons Lebeau was our DC NO TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can match the success of the Steelers.
                                stop acting like we made SB's because our D played like Seattle, Tampa or Baltimore

                                We made those SB's because we have a CLUTCH QB in Big Ben.

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