Good read Cowher V's Tomlin

[Slapstick]

Here's a better question....

If Tomlin's job is so safe then why wasn't he allowed to hire his own OC after being a head coach of 7 years?

You think that would happen to Jim Harbaugh or Bill Belichek? What about Cowher? The Rooneys trusted Cowher.... they trusted his ability to build a team. They favored his opinion over the GMs (Tom Donahoe) at the time which resulted in the hiring of his replacement.. Colbert. Clearly, the FO doesn't have the same faith in Tomlin if he isn't allowed anymore to hire his own OC.

It doesn't get more obvious than that.

You would think that, given Tomlin's performance, he would have earned a similar amount of trust to that of Bill Cowher at this point in their respective tenures with the Steelers...

If he hasn't, well, unfortunately, that says more about the FO than it does about him...

[steelz09]

Because Art is a meddling idiot.

And guess what? They aren't winning anymore, are they?

Well, guess what.... That doesn't matter because the Rooney's are the majority owner so you can moan all your want about Art II.

The fact is the FO potentially overrulled Tomlin on the hiring of his OC. That is clearly showing a lack of faith, a lack of respect or both. Either way, you don't want your bosses clearly showing a lack of faith in you performing your job.

If Tomlin thought he was that good of a coach, he would tell Art and the FO to go screw themselves and that he wants to hire his own staff or he's out finding a new job. I'm sure Craft wouldn't overrule Belichek like that and I'm sure Belichek wouldn't be Crafts little puppet after 7 years of being a HC. It makes it seem that Tomlin is nothing more than the FO's little puppet. This wouldn't happen to Jim Harbaugh and even Cowher (and that has been proven).

[Keyplay1]

Similar to Cowher's team circa 1998-1999 I suppose...

Cowher's team also faltered in 2003 6-10. Then again in 2006 after a championship season to boot.

But the point is the team always managed to bounce back even stronger. Just maybe it was because the coach recognized problems and corrected them. Not sayin' this won't happen now, but do it.

[steelz09]

Cowher's team also faltered in 2003 6-10. Then again in 2006 after a championship season to boot.

But the point is the team always managed to bounce back even stronger. Just maybe it was because the coach recognized problems and corrected them. Not sayin' this won't happen now, but do it.

Hasn't happened since mid way thru last year.... Not only have we not won, he haven't played good enough to even warrant a 'W'

[feltdizz]

Well, guess what.... That doesn't matter because the Rooney's are the majority owner so you can moan all your want about Art II.

The fact is the FO potentially overrulled Tomlin on the hiring of his OC. That is clearly showing a lack of faith, a lack of respect or both. Either way, you don't want your bosses clearly showing a lack of faith in you performing your job.

If Tomlin thought he was that good of a coach, he would tell Art and the FO to go screw themselves and that he wants to hire his own staff or he's out finding a new job. I'm sure Craft wouldn't overrule Belichek like that and I'm sure Belichek wouldn't be Crafts little puppet after 7 years of being a HC. It makes it seem that Tomlin is nothing more than the FO's little puppet. This wouldn't happen to Jim Harbaugh and even Cowher (and that has been proven).

that's due to Kraft being smart enough not to pull rank on his HC.

Some owners sit down and let the HC run the show... others don't and they usually end up losing games because they are more concerned with flexing their power than letting the team function properly.

You can try and make this into another one of your Tomlin bashing threads but the truth is the owner gets the last word and it may be why Cowher left in the first place.

[steelz09]

that's due to Kraft being smart enough not to pull rank on his HC.

Some owners sit down and let the HC run the show... others don't and they usually end up losing games because they are more concerned with flexing their power than letting the team function properly.

You can try and make this into another one of your Tomlin bashing threads but the truth is the owner gets the last word and it may be why Cowher left in the first place.

Well, I'll tell ya what.... I'll take my chances with the Rooneys and you can continue your mancrush with Tomlin.

[Sugar]

The ROONEY'S won NOTHING for 40 years, until Chuck Noll came in and cleaned house.

You mean the same Chuck Noll that had 7 losing (along with one 8- seasons in Pittsburgh??

[steelz09]

The ROONEY'S won NOTHING for 40 years, until Chuck Noll came in and cleaned house.

I'll take the Rooneys...

[Sugar]

They were the worst organization in football when he got there. And like now, like in the early 90's, when you win, your draft slot isn't as good, and you have some lean years.

Every team goes through it, especially in the cap era.

Cowher went through it, that seems to be forgotten by the Tomlin bashers here.

Agreed. I was just having a little fun at the expense of those who (rightly) revere the Emperor but want Tomlin gone after one potentially losing season.

[feltdizz]

Well, I'll tell ya what.... I'll take my chances with the Rooneys and you can continue your mancrush with Tomlin.

The crush will continue as long as he is our HC.

[NJ-STEELER]

What kind of excellence did Cowher achieve in 1998, 1999 and 2000?

the time noll's players were gone

[Slapstick]

the time noll's players were gone

Yep. This is what I've been saying...

[Keyplay1]

Let's just take a look at WhoTF inherited what? Does anyone not agree that Cowher inherited the 1991 roster? IDTS!
1 Gary Anderson----------82-94 In League Many More Years
60 Brian Blankenship-----87-91
94 Jeff Brady--------------91------ILMMY
6 Bubby Brister-----------86-92 ILMMY
61 Dean Caliguire---------91-92
88 Chris Calloway---------90-91 ILMMY
85 Keith Cash-------------91 -----IL til 96
87 Adrian Cooper---------91-93--IL til 96
64 Kenny Davidson-------90-93--IL til 96
63 Dermontti Dawson
66 Donald Evans---------90-93--IL til 95
27 Thomas Everett-------87-91-IL til 95
29 Barry Foster----------90-94
81 Jeff Graham----------91-93 IL til 2001
86 Eric Green------------90-94 IL til 1999
22 Larry Griffin----------87-93
35 Delton Hall-----------87-91 IL til 92
77 Carlton Haselrig-----90-93 IL til 95
53 Bryan Hinkle---------82-93
33 Merril Hoge----------87-93 IL til 94
62 Tunch Ilkin-----------80-92 IL til 93
65 John Jackson--------88-97 IL til 01
44 D.J. Johnson---------88-93 IL til 96
97 Aaron Jones---------88-92 IL til 96
25 Gary Jones----------90-94 IL til 96
37 Carnell Lake-------- 89-98 IL til 01
83 Louis Lipps----------84-91 IL til 92
50 David Little----------81-92
95 Greg Lloyd-----------88-97 IL til 98
74 Terry Long-----------84-91
56 Rob McGovern-------89-92
89 Ernie Mills------------91-96 IL til 99
84 Mike Mularkey-------89-91 IL 83-88 Min
54 Hardy Nickerson----87 -92 IL til 02
14 Neil O'Donnell-------90-95 IL til 03
55 Jerry Olsavsky------89-97 IL til 98
90 Huey Richardson----91-92
71 Tom Ricketts---------89-91 IL til 94
24 Richard Shelton------90-93
41 Kevin A. Smith-------91
57 Jerrol Williams-------
42 Warren Williams
93 Keith Willis
68 Mike Withycombe
26 Rod Woodson*

[Keyplay1]

Very few of the above players were around long enough to help anyone win anything.

This comparison is really not valid.

What should be getting compared are the new players brought in by each coach that helped win games. That is probably what the so called MT/Colbert detractors are really concerned about.

[Slapstick]

Very few of the above players were around long enough to help anyone win anything.

This comparison is really not valid.

What should be getting compared are the new players brought in by each coach that helped win games. That is probably what the so called MT/Colbert detractors are really concerned about.

Those first few years, Cowher's team went to a SB, but really didn't win anything...

The comparison is not who won what with the "inherited players"...the comparison is what happened after the inherited players left the team...