NO ONE has answered this, our OL injuries waiting to happen

[supersteeler]

In some instances you can be in the best shape, train well, a good diet too, but if you continue to , its going to hurt.

[steelnavy]

Let's try to help you. First of all, stop putting words in my mouth; straw man arguments are a sign of weakness. I didn't say their training methods were "old" I merely said that a fairly long time ago, they were and I was QUESTIONING what their current methods were, since there is such an obvious trend of injuries, especially to the big guys. I QUESTIONED what their current training methods were, something that no one in here seems able to answer. Secondly, the two points are not mutually exclusive: It is indeed possible for both points to be true. That is, Steelers MAYBE using antiquated methods AND Troy's past methods may be lacking in their OWN WAY. BOTH points can be true - they can both exist. They are NOT mutually exclusive. Can you grasp this concept? Please try. If Pgh has their big guys training heavy on the power rack during the season, it would be ill advised. If Troy training without any weights heavier than 20 lbs, as it has been reported, that method may be lacking as well. Try to comprehend those points.

Now, does anyone want to actually address the original post or is all you can do is offer ad hominem attacks?

I don't know much about Lloydroid's background and don't care. But I do agree that the Steelers have had WAY too many injuries on the O-line the past couple of years. It would be nice if some people on here could try harder to hold an intelligent conversation instead of trying to bring the other guy down. I just want to come here for the latest news about my favorite team and don't care to waste my time reading the grade school antics.

[BigRob]

Only those with truly nothing to boast about use this line. Insecure much?

Hahahhaah, what bothers you is you know you are light years away from any from this

Wow, nice one. I don't know if I will ever get over this one from you. If only I had your gift of prose.

The more you try to impress people, the less impressed they’ll be.

It is more and more funny as you kick and scream like a toddler.

[BigRob]

I don't know much about Lloydroid's background and don't care. But I do agree that the Steelers have had WAY too many injuries on the O-line the past couple of years. It would be nice if some people on here could try harder to hold an intelligent conversation instead of trying to bring the other guy down. I just want to come here for the latest news about my favorite team and don't care to waste my time reading the grade school antics.

You don't have to read anything. You can also ignore posters whom you find to be tedious. There is a setting for this very thing.

[lloydroid]

Neither is the health of the Ravens O-Line and the Niners O-Line the norm...

Exactly. So maybe their training methods are superior to the norm. Evidence points to Pgh's being inferior. Could just be luck or lack there of, but it needs looked into.

[lloydroid]

You don't have to read anything. You can also ignore posters whom you find to be tedious. There is a setting for this very thing.

Coming from the guy who constantly does degrade the discussion into grade school level insults. I asked a perfectly relevant, perfectly meaningful question, and you had to drag it all down to ad hominem attacks, something that the stated board rules disallow. Instead of making people have to use the ignore feature, how about not trying to start ad hominem attacks?

[lloydroid]

Wow, nice one. I don't know if I will ever get over this one from you. If only I had your gift of prose.



It is more and more funny as you kick and scream like a toddler.

Gee whiz, well someone in this thread is the one turning into grade school insults. I wonder who that person is? I am perfectly secure with the truth of my posts. You? Well, the one dealing with ad hominem attacks is always on the side of the weaker argument. And, just checking into the reality zone, I am guessing that a poster who self proclaims size by inserting "BIG" into his self-given screen name might be the one who is self-aggrandizing; after all, we must all picture some super gargantuan guy since he does incorporate the word "big" into his name. Keep going. Your insecurities become more glaring every post. But, after all, you are "big."

[BigRob]

Coming from the guy who constantly does degrade the discussion into grade school level insults. I asked a perfectly relevant, perfectly meaningful question, and you had to drag it all down to ad hominem attacks, something that the stated board rules disallow. Instead of making people have to use the ignore feature, how about not trying to start ad hominem attacks?

Anyone is perfectly well suited to ignore me should they choose to do so. Once again, pot meet kettle. You bring it on yourself.

[lloydroid]

I don't know much about Lloydroid's background and don't care. But I do agree that the Steelers have had WAY too many injuries on the O-line the past couple of years. It would be nice if some people on here could try harder to hold an intelligent conversation instead of trying to bring the other guy down. I just want to come here for the latest news about my favorite team and don't care to waste my time reading the grade school antics.

/\ /\ /\ /\ THIS. I don't care that you know my background either. I simply wanted to address a subject worth discussing. There are a few in here that seem to want to go to ad hominem attacks with every post. I thought that was against board rules, but what do I know. This place prides itself of not allowing the petty name calling. But certain posters are seemingly allowed to blow off board rules.

Back to the original topic: What practices do the Steelers employ in the conditioning and training front? Do they have the big guys doing heavy lifts on the power rack, such as squats and dead lifts during the season? Do such practices lead to injuries as many experts in the field contend? Do such practices lead to less recovery resulting in more injuries?

[supersteeler]

Question: NO ONE has answered this, our OL injuries waiting to happen.

I don't believe anyone can answer that until a detailed investigation is put into play. The FO alluded to the rash of injuries and they also are looking into why they occured on a consistent basis.
Injuries are part of the game as we know, but when you have the amount we had especially on the o-line for the last three years something is wrong, it can't be just by accident.

I think the FO is very concerned about this, and will take the steps to find out the reasons to the best of their ability. The findings could make an impact on reducing these injuries not only for the Steelers but other teams as well.

[lloydroid]

Question: NO ONE has answered this, our OL injuries waiting to happen.

I don't believe anyone can answer that until a detailed investigation is put into play. The FO alluded to the rash of injuries and they also are looking into why they occured on a consistent basis.
Injuries are part of the game as we know, but when you have the amount we had especially on the o-line for the last three years something is wrong, it can't be just by accident.

I think the FO is very concerned about this, and will take the steps to find out the reasons to the best of their ability. The findings could make an impact on reducing these injuries not only for the Steelers but other teams as well.

Here is this.

[url]http://www.stack.com/2010/11/16/in-season-lifting-for-football-players/[/url]

I don't know what they are thinking but they have players lifting the day after a game. Huh? They say "unless you are too sore, and if so wait another 24 hours." Huh? Most NFL players say it takes them an hour just to get out of bed. Who on God's green earth isn't too beat up the day after the game to lift? And this specifies football "pros" so it's not just addressing pee wee players.

But I think it's safe to say: If Pgh is having it's players doing heavy squats, dead lifts and clean and jerks during the season, we can start to figure out their injury problem right there.

[lloydroid]

Anyone is perfectly well suited to ignore me should they choose to do so. Once again, pot meet kettle. You bring it on yourself.

Re-read this thread. When was I making ad hominem attacks? When were you? Try to deal with reality and what really happened. You are not showcasing any clear, rational thought. You claim others are boasting, and yet, you gave YOURSELF a screen name incorporating "BIG" - which is as self-aggrandizing as it gets. No one would need to use the "ignore" function if you stopped the name calling, which is against board rules.

[BigRob]

Here is this.

[URL]http://www.stack.com/2010/11/16/in-season-lifting-for-football-players/[/URL]

I don't know what they are thinking but they have players lifting the day after a game. Huh? They say "unless you are too sore, and if so wait another 24 hours." Huh? Most NFL players say it takes them an hour just to get out of bed. Who on God's green earth isn't too beat up the day after the game to lift? And this specifies football "pros" so it's not just addressing pee wee players.

But I think it's safe to say: If Pgh is having it's players doing heavy squats, dead lifts and clean and jerks during the season, we can start to figure out their injury problem right there.

Interesting and meaningless article.

This article says most NFL teams have their players do this. So it doesn't have any real bearing on the Steelers or why they have injuries.

This guy says lifting this way is key to:

On both the college and professional levels, most teams have at least two lifting regimens a week during the season. NFL players are weighed weekly to make sure they maintain their ideal playing weight, and pumping iron is a key component to ensure their hard-earned muscles aren’t wasting away. In-season workouts are crucial to maintaining lean mass, working out soreness, preventing injuries, and staying explosive on the field.

Perhaps the Steelers aren't doing this and that is the problem. Not the other way around.

[phillyesq]

Here is this.

[URL]http://www.stack.com/2010/11/16/in-season-lifting-for-football-players/[/URL]

I don't know what they are thinking but they have players lifting the day after a game. Huh? They say "unless you are too sore, and if so wait another 24 hours." Huh? Most NFL players say it takes them an hour just to get out of bed. Who on God's green earth isn't too beat up the day after the game to lift? And this specifies football "pros" so it's not just addressing pee wee players.

But I think it's safe to say: If Pgh is having it's players doing heavy squats, dead lifts and clean and jerks during the season, we can start to figure out their injury problem right there.

You found a link, but what are your qualifications? Are you a professional trainer? Have an advanced degree?

In issues of health and fitness, there are often differing schools of thought.

[lloydroid]

You found a link, but what are your qualifications? Are you a professional trainer? Have an advanced degree?

In issues of health and fitness, there are often differing schools of thought.

Great differing opinions. And guess what? If one of those with "differing opinions" constantly has their OLmen injured, how much credit do their "differing opinions" have? Many experts say doing too much power rack type of lifting puts extra stress on the lower body, leading to injuries. Do you know more than the leading strength and conditioning coaches in the US? What does your issue of "health and Fitness" say?