NO ONE has answered this, our OL injuries waiting to happen

[ikestops85]

I want to address your post and point out some obvious conclusions that you have jumped to.

As I was watching the Super Bowl, and obvious trend played out in front of my two eyes: Both SF and Balt. could run plays and fully expect their OL men to not fall down with an injury every other play. They are able to play football and not suffer injuries all over the OL. As a matter of fact, I believe SF has played EVERY DOWN this year with the exact same OL in tact. EVERY down.

We have ALL lamented over our OL injuries. but I want to know why; why do our OLmen regularly fall down to injury?

First we haven't proved that our injury situation over a period of time is worse than the norm in the NFL. Do you have any evidence to support that our problem is greater than everybody else?

What is Pgh doing wrong? I am no longer going to write it off to just bad luck. There must be a reason Pgh has so many injuries. What kind of training do they have these guys doing?

I don't know exactly but I have to assume it isn't that much different than most NFL teams. Why are you not willing to write it off to bad luck? The year GB beat us in the SB I think they put 17 players on IR. Was that bad luck or did it have something to do with their training methods?

Are they over-working them in the weight room, leading to injuries? I have yet to hear what Pgh does specifically in the weight room, which could lead to this. For instance, do they have the fellas lifting free weights, in the power rack (squats, dead lifts) adding further stress to their legs. leading to injuries from over-working the knees, ankles, etc? Some trainers/coaches believe hitting heavy weights during the season, and preseason for that matter, just puts too much stress on the joints, ligaments, etc. and will lead to injuries. Are the Steelers clueless on this front? It is highly possible, as something is being done fricked up to make so many injuries occur.

Why would you jump to the conclusion that the Steelers are clueless on the weight lifting program done by the Steelers during the season? Please provide us with some shred of evidence that it is highly possible that the Steelers are fricking something up that causes injuries. You seem to point to weight lifting but don't give any empirical evidence to lead us in that direction. You don't know what their program is, you don't know if it is tailored to specific individuals, you don't even know if they lift weights during the season.

I could make the argument that we have so many injuries because they don't sleep on a posterpedic mattress. I think that makes them tight and the muscles never relax which puts undue stress on the joints which leads to injury. Other teams are sleeping on the advanced number mattress where they can dial the firmness that suits them.

I have a buddy who works in a mattress store. He has sold mattresses to many NFL players and none of them were Steelers. He says these players always get top of the line mattresses. Why are the steelers so behind in mattress technology? Why are they so clueless on this front? How can they be so fricked up not to look into the power of the mattress?

Now my post makes about as much sense as yours does. Maybe I should have started a new thread but I thought I would just shoe horn it in this one.

P.S. This is not an attack against you. It might be considered one against your post.

[lloydroid]

It must suck to be the 'inocent' victim of abuse...





















ad hominem attack or not, you're a douche.

Probably would use another d word that finishes with head, but you'd run off & dob to the mods, no doubt.

This is a blatant abuse of board rules. And, you need to look up the definition of ad hominem. And in each and every case of the above responses, it was others who used ad hominem attacks before I responded, still not resorting to ad hominem attacks. But, you sure are a real tough guy, with your internet tough guy act. Can you even get out of your chair without losing your breath?

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

"When the F$ck Did We Get Ice Cream?"

[lloydroid]

I want to address your post and point out some obvious conclusions that you have jumped to.

Coolio.

First we haven't proved that our injury situation over a period of time is worse than the norm in the NFL. Do you have any evidence to support that our problem is greater than everybody else?

Look, even the OWNER of the team said it was bad enough that they need to explore the area. Should we ask Art 2 if he has any "evidence" that they have more injuries than normal? Why has he said it needs looked into? I don't think you need an act of Congress to realize that in the last few years, the # of injuries to our OL has been higher than normal. Just use common sense. Is it really normal to be down to your 7th-round, rookie OT to start and to having to use a TE on your OL if one more player goes down? You don't think that is excessive in terms of injuries to your OL? Is that your contention?

I don't know exactly but I have to assume it isn't that much different than most NFL teams. Why are you not willing to write it off to bad luck? The year GB beat us in the SB I think they put 17 players on IR. Was that bad luck or did it have something to do with their training methods?

We don't know. But we DO know that our OL has been riddled with excessive injuries for a few years now. GB did NOT have the same injury level the season following their injury-riddled one.

Why would you jump to the conclusion that the Steelers are clueless on the weight lifting program done by the Steelers during the season? Please provide us with some shred of evidence that it is highly possible that the Steelers are fricking something up that causes injuries. You seem to point to weight lifting but don't give any empirical evidence to lead us in that direction. You don't know what their program is, you don't know if it is tailored to specific individuals, you don't even know if they lift weights during the season.

Are you so sure about all of that? I don't know FOR SURE what they are doing now, but I do KNOW what they were doing in the late 90s. I do KNOW back then their total budget for the weight room was $100 a year. That's right. So before YOU make assumptions about what I know, you might not want to jump to conclusions and assumptions yourself.

I could make the argument that we have so many injuries because they don't sleep on a posterpedic mattress. I think that makes them tight and the muscles never relax which puts undue stress on the joints which leads to injury. Other teams are sleeping on the advanced number mattress where they can dial the firmness that suits them.

But you'd being doing so without any info. or insight whatsoever, making it a horrible analogy.

I have a buddy who works in a mattress store. He has sold mattresses to many NFL players and none of them were Steelers. He says these players always get top of the line mattresses. Why are the steelers so behind in mattress technology? Why are they so clueless on this front? How can they be so fricked up not to look into the power of the mattress?

Inaneness not worthy of response.

Now my post makes about as much sense as yours does. Maybe I should have started a new thread but I thought I would just shoe horn it in this one.

Well, your point DOESN'T make as much sense as mine. Have you stood in the Steelers' bedrooms and witnessed what they were sleeping on? Have you personally viewed their sleeping regime on a chalkboard? No? Than your analogy doesn't apply.

P.S. This is not an attack against you. It might be considered one against your post.

And the board rules and mods have no problem with that, nor do I. I am happy to respond to someone who is refuting my posts, and not resorting to ad hominem attacks. As you can see, I responded in kind.

[lloydroid]

Now, this is funny. And poignant.

I do so enjoy relationships with many on this board based on mutual interests.
Never really wanted a debate school forum. I imagine one of those could be found elsewhere.

You don't think that virtually every message board engages in debate? You think this only happened here from my posting? Really? OK.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I do KNOW back then their total budget for the weight room was $100 a year. That's right.

This makes zero sense. You couldn't run a lemonade stand in the 1920's for $100 a year. Where in the world did you get that information?

[ikestops85]

Coolio.
Look, even the OWNER of the team said it was bad enough that they need to explore the area. Should we ask Art 2 if he has any "evidence" that they have more injuries than normal? Why has he said it needs looked into? I don't think you need an act of Congress to realize that in the last few years, the # of injuries to our OL has been higher than normal. Just use common sense. Is it really normal to be down to your 7th-round, rookie OT to start and to having to use a TE on your OL if one more player goes down? You don't think that is excessive in terms of injuries to your OL? Is that your contention?

I don't know that the number of injuries to our O-Line has exceeded the norm. This past year I would say it did but I have no evidence of this. Since you started the topic I was hoping you could provide some stats that proved this.

Do you realize that some teams START late round rookies? Beachum actually did a decent job for us and I think he is a nice find by the scouts. One reason we almost had to use a TE is because Tomlin activates one less lineman in some games than most coaches do. Neither of these situations says we have more injuries to our O-line than the norm. It just means that Beachum was the next tackle up and we had 2 linemen injured in one game.

Are you so sure about all of that? I don't know FOR SURE what they are doing now, but I do KNOW what they were doing in the late 90s. I do KNOW back then their total budget for the weight room was $100 a year. That's right. So before YOU make assumptions about what I know, you might not want to jump to conclusions and assumptions yourself.

Now you are getting to the meat of the issue. You say you KNOW what they were doing back in the late 90's but you neglect to say how or even state what they were doing. You just state that they were fricking it up. So just state what you know upfront and how you know it. That way people can make an informed decision on whether your topic has merit.

But you'd being doing so without any info. or insight whatsoever, making it a horrible analogy.

I am doing it without any info but from what you posted you are doing the same thing so I believe my analogy stands.

[lloydroid]

This makes zero sense. You couldn't run a lemonade stand in the 1920's for $100 a year. Where in the world did you get that information?

From their strength and conditioning coach. Philosophy was after all the weights and equipment was purchased, they basically lasted forever so what did you need more $ for? They had duct tape wrapped around some of their benches. I guess that is where the $100 went towards: duct tape. Not saying that is still the case today; when they moved from 3RS to Heinz F they got a brand new, sparkling weight room, obviously.

[Chadman]

This is a blatant abuse of board rules. And, you need to look up the definition of ad hominem. And in each and every case of the above responses, it was others who used ad hominem attacks before I responded, still not resorting to ad hominem attacks. But, you sure are a real tough guy, with your internet tough guy act. Can you even get out of your chair without losing your breath?

This is the best you can come back with?

You know- you came on this board a little while ago, sent me a friendly PM wanting to know how I became a Steeler fan, etc... I thought you sounded alright. And from pretty much that point on you've been a knob.

This is a good site. These posters here, they are good people to spend Steeler-time with. The likes of you, the smart-ass know-it-all, come & go every year.

All this crap about 'ad hominem attack this, ad hominem attack that'... nobody cares. You just sound like a bleating child.

"Oh, oh... looky, looky... he said a nasty thing to me Mods..."... I hope the Mods are reading this. They can pull me up on it if they want, that's fine. Posters like you ruin this place.

The annoying thing is, you can make good points. But you just follow it up with so much rubbish & vitriol toward other posters that your good points get lost in the muck you follow it up with.

Internet tough guy? Really? Never had anyone call me that before, and it's not the 'schtick' I try to achieve. But your attacks on my weight & also on BigRob's just make you look like a fool.

[lloydroid]

Now you are getting to the meat of the issue. You say you KNOW what they were doing back in the late 90's but you neglect to say how or even state what they were doing. You just state that they were fricking it up. So just state what you know upfront and how you know it. That way people can make an informed decision on whether your topic has merit.

I realize that if I truly give all info. you all will just say I am making it up, so why bother? That is already the course it's gone even though I have not let all the truth out about how I know.

I am doing it without any info but from what you posted you are doing the same thing so I believe my analogy stands.

In order for the analogy to stand you would have had to have stood in their bedrooms, viewed a chalk board of their sleeping routines, etc. Since you have not done that, the analogy is invalid.

[lloydroid]

This is the best you can come back with?

You know- you came on this board a little while ago, sent me a friendly PM wanting to know how I became a Steeler fan, etc... I thought you sounded alright. And from pretty much that point on you've been a knob.

This is a good site. These posters here, they are good people to spend Steeler-time with. The likes of you, the smart-ass know-it-all, come & go every year.

All this crap about 'ad hominem attack this, ad hominem attack that'... nobody cares. You just sound like a bleating child.

"Oh, oh... looky, looky... he said a nasty thing to me Mods..."... I hope the Mods are reading this. They can pull me up on it if they want, that's fine. Posters like you ruin this place.

The annoying thing is, you can make good points. But you just follow it up with so much rubbish & vitriol toward other posters that your good points get lost in the muck you follow it up with.

Internet tough guy? Really? Never had anyone call me that before, and it's not the 'schtick' I try to achieve. But your attacks on my weight & also on BigRob's just make you look like a fool.

Attack on weight? So now you are just making stuff up again. That takes real skill.....not. You continue to CREATE the ad hominem attacks, not reduce them. You continue to break board rules while I am not.

I guess the rules are just there for window dressing, as they don't seem to enforce them.

You have made personal attacks on me several times, just today. Your tough guy act is very unfortunate. It takes no courage to call others names from behind a keyboard.

[lloydroid]

The annoying thing is, you can make good points. But you just follow it up with so much rubbish & vitriol toward other posters that your good points get lost in the muck you follow it up with.

You got it backwards. The personal attacks come to me, after I am merely expressing football opinions. Each and every time, that is the course. I don't deal with ad hominem attacks; I post on football. It is the likes of you who get into the personal attacks. If you get a little stiff arm back after you attack, don't be surprised. All your name calling breaks stated board rules. I thought you were a decent guy, but I don't respect those who deal in name calling. They are without substance and honor.

[Chadman]

Attack on weight? So now you are just making stuff up again. That takes real skill.....not

Can you even get out of your chair without losing your breath?

Care to explain?

[Eddie Spaghetti]

this clown isn't worth the bandwidth, but the mods favor him because he drives traffic.

pretty sad.

[ikestops85]

I realize that if I truly give all info. you all will just say I am making it up, so why bother? That is already the course it's gone even though I have not let all the truth out about how I know.

In order for the analogy to stand you would have had to have stood in their bedrooms, viewed a chalk board of their sleeping routines, etc. Since you have not done that, the analogy is invalid.

Now how am I supposed to judge the info if you won't give it to me? Let me decide if I believe you or not but when you don't provide anything your statements mean as much to me as my statements on the mattress mean to you. That's why I said the analogy stands. You haven't provided me any info for me to make that judgement.

Now back to the O-line injuries ... the weight lifting regiment of the late 90's has nothing to do with their regiment now so we still don't have any information to make a judgement that their current training program is bad.