Pittsburgh Steelers: Todd Haley Has Already Identified Offensive Strengths

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  • Crash
    Legend
    • Apr 2009
    • 5008

    No kidding Slap. But teams don't score every time they see the red zone. That's not reality.

    The issue here, is what fans/Art think when they don't score? What should they do?

    Yinzers believe running the ball cures everything.

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    • Crash
      Legend
      • Apr 2009
      • 5008

      Originally posted by Slapstick
      Win Super Bowls and nobody complains...Steeler fans are spoiled...
      People were complaining about Arians all during 2008. People are so hell bent on protecting this defense that their 4th quarter meltdown in SB XLIII gets blamed on the Steelers OFFENSE.

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      • Slapstick
        Rookie
        • May 2008
        • 0

        Originally posted by Crash
        No kidding Slap. But teams don't score every time they see the red zone. That's not reality.

        The issue here, is what fans/Art think when they don't score? What should they do?

        Yinzers believe running the ball cures everything.
        Except when it does not result in winning...

        I'll take the quote from Coach Tomlin:

        Every day I walk by five Lombardi Trophies, not five rushing titles.
        Of course, thanks to that thinking, where winning is the most important thing, Coach now walks by sixLombardi Trophies....
        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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        • Crash
          Legend
          • Apr 2009
          • 5008

          Originally posted by Slapstick
          I'll take the quote from Coach Tomlin:

          Of course, thanks to that thinking, where winning is the most important thing, Coach now walks by sixLombardi Trophies....
          And what happened after 2009? Tomlin changed, he apparently agreed with II that they needed to commit to the running game rather than admit his 4th quarter defense stunk.

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          • steelnavy
            Backup
            • Aug 2008
            • 307

            Originally posted by grotonsteel
            If Todd Haley runs the ball more i think he might be the dumbest OC ever.

            Design plays to your strength and Steelers QB is their strength. Steelers running game sucks. Don't run for the sake of running. I don't want to see stupid run-run-pass Marty ball.
            So because the Steelers run game sucked last year, then it sucks this year? So NOTHING has changed since then? Do you think that maybe it sucked because of BA's poor play design/calling? Maybe a better coach could take the same players and make them play better? And maybe a number 1 and 2 O line draft pick might also help with the ability to run? So are you REALLY going to stick with "Steelers run game sucks" in the present tense?!?

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            • Sugar
              Hall of Famer
              • Oct 2008
              • 3700

              Originally posted by steelnavy
              So because the Steelers run game sucked last year, then it sucks this year? So NOTHING has changed since then? Do you think that maybe it sucked because of BA's poor play design/calling? Maybe a better coach could take the same players and make them play better? And maybe a number 1 and 2 O line draft pick might also help with the ability to run? So are you REALLY going to stick with "Steelers run game sucks" in the present tense?!?
              It's my belief that the run game and the O in general would be better even if BA was still here due to the improvement in personnel. Of course, injuries can be a real problem. But I don't go into the season expecting we'll see nearly what we did last year.

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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27532

                The run game would have improved over night if they inserted Redman more behind that OL last year. Mend wasn't built to run behind that OL.
                Steelers 27
                Rats 16

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                • Crash
                  Legend
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 5008

                  Not being predictable he wouldn't have been. 3rd and 2 in Houston. Draw to Redman, STUFFED.

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                  • RuthlessBurgher
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 33208

                    Originally posted by Crash
                    Not being predictable he wouldn't have been. 3rd and 2 in Houston. Draw to Redman, STUFFED.
                    Well, the predictable play caller from last year isn't here anymore either...
                    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                    • Eich
                      Legend
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 7044

                      Originally posted by Crash
                      And what happened after 2009? Tomlin changed, he apparently agreed with II that they needed to commit to the running game rather than admit his 4th quarter defense stunk.

                      The Defense consistently ranks ahead of our offense, sometimes well ahead, in terms of points scored/allowed. Only two times in Ben's career has the defense ever ranked worse than 3rd in the league in points allowed. In that same time, the offense has never ranked higher than 9th in terms of points scored.

                      THIS IS AN OFFENSIVE-ORIENTED LEAGUE, HELL BENT ON SCORING POINTS. RANKING 21st ON POINTS SCORED IS AWFUL !!!

                      Offense and Defense ranking on POINTS scored/allowed.

                      2011: Offense 21st, Defense 1st
                      2010: Offense 12th, Defense 1st
                      2009: Offense 12th, Defense 12th
                      2008: Offense 20th, Defense 1st
                      2007: Offense 9th, Defense 2nd
                      2006: Offense 12th, Defense 11th
                      2005: Offense 9th, Defense 3rd
                      2004: Offense 11th, Defense 1st

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                      • Crash
                        Legend
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 5008

                        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                        Well, the predictable play caller from last year isn't here anymore either...
                        But apparently, according to four different players, we are going to run MORE.

                        And we ran on 58% of 1st downs, and 65% of 1st downs in the RZ.

                        If those players are accurate in their words? How can they NOT be predictable if they are going to run even MORE?

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                        • Crash
                          Legend
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 5008

                          Originally posted by Eich
                          THIS IS AN OFFENSIVE-ORIENTED LEAGUE, HELL BENT ON SCORING POINTS. RANKING 21st ON POINTS SCORED IS AWFUL !!!
                          I agree with you. So tell me smart guy, if this is an "offensive-oriented league, hell bent on scoring points", why in hell is this team shelling out almost $139 MILLION on three defensive players like they did last off season?

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                          • RuthlessBurgher
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 33208

                            Originally posted by Crash
                            I agree with you. So tell me smart guy, if this is an "offensive-oriented league, hell bent on scoring points", why in hell is this team shelling out almost $139 MILLION on three defensive players like they did last off season?
                            Ummm...it's probably a good idea to try to stop the other teams' offense that is hell bent on scoring points too. That's helps.
                            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                            • Crash
                              Legend
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 5008

                              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                              Ummm...it's probably a good idea to try to stop the other teams' offense that is hell bent on scoring points too. That's helps.
                              But $139 million worth? Why not "balance" it out?

                              What are people going to say if they let Wallace go? Arians isn't here anymore to blame.

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                              • Eich
                                Legend
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 7044

                                Originally posted by Crash
                                I agree with you. So tell me smart guy, if this is an "offensive-oriented league, hell bent on scoring points", why in hell is this team shelling out almost $139 MILLION on three defensive players like they did last off season?
                                If you agree with me smart guy, then why are you blaming Lebeau and 4th quarter defense on anything? I can understand you complaining about spending too much on defense but defensive performance is not the issue with this team getting another ring (outside of the injury-ridden disaster against the Broncos last year, in which the offense and defense tried to out-pathetic each other).

                                The Steelers shelled out $100M to Ben and tolerated all his issues, they have fantastic skill-position weapons and now they went out and got some high draft pics on the offensive line and replaced our predictable play-caller. Stop complaining for the sake of complaining until we can see what they're able to do.

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