Pittsburgh Steelers: Todd Haley Has Already Identified Offensive Strengths

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  • Sugar
    Hall of Famer
    • Oct 2008
    • 3700

    Originally posted by feltdizz
    It's starting to get old hearing Ben take digs at the fans/Rooneys when mentioning running more. He sounds like he is still butt hurt over losing BA.
    Again, I'm not seeing a problem here. I haven't heard Ben take any digs, let alone enough to get old.

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    • Crash
      Legend
      • Apr 2009
      • 5008

      Originally posted by Slapstick
      Just score more points. I don't care how.
      The point is, in order to score points, they have to stop trying to create 1975.

      Which means when it fails because the other team gets paid too just like offenses do against our defense, people can't complain for the run game.

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      • Crash
        Legend
        • Apr 2009
        • 5008

        No cheap shots taken at the Rooney's. People read what they want to read.

        Funny though, NO ONE wants to mention how 4 different players have all stated they think they will be running MORE.

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        • grotonsteel
          Hall of Famer
          • Jul 2008
          • 2810

          Originally posted by flippy
          It is a team game. And to truly come up with the best offensive strategy, you must take into account all aspects of the team, including the defense.

          We still have a defense built on speed/pressure/splash plays.

          A running game helps eat the clock and keeps the D fresh.

          The entire team needs balance to win.

          A QB won't win a SuperBowl without a Defense. See the Giants for recent proof in the modern NFL.

          If we can win with Ben making 10 throws, that's ok by me.

          But if Ben's gonna throw 40+ times a game like some want, Lebeau's going to have to adjust his defense a bit. It's clear, we don't have a defense to withstand the shootouts and long periods on the field.

          It's been clear, as Ben's stats have improved, the defense has underperformed at the end of games. There's a direct correlation. Someone needs to adjust. Either Haley or Lebeau.
          well unfortunately some Steelers fans can't see that aspect. All they see is 21st scoring offense but neglect TOP by Steelers Offense.
          Steelers Draft 2015
          Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
          Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
          Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
          Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
          Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
          Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
          Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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          • Slapstick
            Rookie
            • May 2008
            • 0

            Originally posted by Crash
            The point is, in order to score points, they have to stop trying to create 1975.

            Which means when it fails because the other team gets paid too just like offenses do against our defense, people can't complain for the run game.
            In order to score points, they have to execute...

            Whether they run or throw, they have to be effective...
            Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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            • Crash
              Legend
              • Apr 2009
              • 5008

              Some people are more concerned with Ben putting up stats or throwing 40+ times a game vs winning with 25 throws like his rookie year.
              Actually I'm more concerned with winning and using the talent they have.

              Yinzers and Art II aren't.

              Mark Madden said it best on Monday:

              Peyton Manning, in his first year at Denver, is helping design the Broncos' offense. Ben Roethlisberger, in his ninth season at Pittsburgh, is having a new playbook rammed down this throat with zero compromise, not even with terminology. Manning has one Super Bowl ring, Roethlisberger two. In Pittsburgh, no one can be bigger than the logo or the family. .

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              • Crash
                Legend
                • Apr 2009
                • 5008

                Originally posted by Slapstick
                In order to score points, they have to execute...

                Whether they run or throw, they have to be effective...
                And the MINUTE Haley calls for 3 straight red zone pass plays and they fail?

                BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

                Yinzers don't care about results, they are satisfied with the mere ATTEMPT at running the football.

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                • grotonsteel
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 2810

                  Originally posted by papillon
                  I'll take the results of Ben's rookie year, the difference now is that the quarterback is the veteran and if he's managing a 15-1 offense going into the playoffs the Steelers will have a great chance to be the champs again. I'm hoping the same formula will work, pass early and often to open up the lead, then run the ball to shorten the game and have Ben make the plays he's capable of to finish off the game. I see no downside to that style of offense at all, even if it means Ben only throws the ball on average 25 times a game. His completion percentage will be extremely high and his YPA will be off the charts and the offense will be dangerous, IMO.

                  Pappy
                  Sounds good on paper but Steelers do keep running the ball when they get a lead and get screwed when run is not working. You just can't keep running the ball when it is not working and throw 4-5 passes in entire 2nd half. I believe entire Offense goes off rhythm with that style of offense.

                  Yes it works for Defense but Run-Run-Pass is a recipe of 21st scoring offense in NFL and then Steelers fans keep complaining why don't they score more with all world talent on Offense. Marty Ball is old school.

                  5 Wide is the way to go. Keep throwing if it is working. Just don't run for making Steeler nation happy.

                  Run 50 times if it is working but don't freaking give me 20 run plays for 30 yards.
                  Steelers Draft 2015
                  Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                  Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                  Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                  Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                  Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                  Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                  Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                  • Slapstick
                    Rookie
                    • May 2008
                    • 0

                    Originally posted by Crash
                    And the MINUTE Haley calls for 3 straight red zone pass plays and they fail?

                    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

                    Yinzers don't care about results, they are satisfied with the mere ATTEMPT at running the football.
                    Wrong...

                    The MINUTE Haley calls for 3 straight red zone run plays and they fail?

                    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

                    "You have a $100 million QB!! Why are you running so much?!?!?"

                    The minute Haley calls for 3 straight red zone pass plays and the third one succeeds?

                    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

                    Yinzers love TDs and winning...
                    Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                    • grotonsteel
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 2810

                      Originally posted by Slapstick
                      Wrong...

                      The MINUTE Haley calls for 3 straight red zone run plays and they fail?

                      BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

                      "You have a $100 million QB!! Why are you running so much?!?!?"

                      Why shouldn't the offense go through your 100 million dollar QB??? You are against utilizing the strength of Steelers offense?

                      Do we have AP or CJ as a RB and T-jack at QB that we should emphasis more on run plays than pass plays??

                      To me it defies logic.
                      Steelers Draft 2015
                      Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                      Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                      Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                      Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                      Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                      Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                      Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                      • Crash
                        Legend
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 5008

                        Originally posted by Slapstick
                        Wrong...

                        The MINUTE Haley calls for 3 straight red zone run plays and they fail?

                        BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

                        "You have a $100 million QB!! Why are you running so much?!?!?"

                        The minute Haley calls for 3 straight red zone pass plays and the third one succeeds?

                        YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

                        Yinzers love TDs and winning...
                        Legit question here: How much time have you spent in Pittsburgh during seasons? Either at games on in the city prior to them? Sports talk radio? Sports shows, etc?

                        Start listening to them on a regular basis. Then you'll see what I'm talking about.

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                        • RuthlessBurgher
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 33208

                          Originally posted by Crash
                          The point is, in order to score points, they have to stop trying to create 1975.
                          The point is, in order to run a successful play-action passing game, they have to establish a running game.

                          The only one who keeps blabbering on about 1975 is you.
                          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                          • RuthlessBurgher
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 33208

                            Originally posted by Slapstick
                            Wrong...

                            The MINUTE Haley calls for 3 straight red zone run plays and they fail?

                            BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

                            "You have a $100 million QB!! Why are you running so much?!?!?"

                            The minute Haley calls for 3 straight red zone pass plays and the third one succeeds?

                            YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

                            Yinzers love TDs and winning...
                            Exactly. Crash's whole "Yinzers don't care about results, they are satisfied with the mere ATTEMPT at running the football" take is pure unadulterated rubbish. I'm at Heinz for every game (have missed less than 5 games in the last decade because of treacherous winter road conditions and I have a 300 mile drive to Pittsburgh), and I have never heard a single person complain about the play call if the result is a touchdown (although I have heard plenty of people complain about unsuccessful, predictable run-run-pass play calling). Granted, the only sports talk radio I listen to in Pittsburgh is about an hour's worth of pre-game on my drive in and an hour's worth of post-game on my drive out before I lose the radio signal and have to switch back to Sirius. I could care less if we run more or pass more...as long as we score more.
                            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                            • Slapstick
                              Rookie
                              • May 2008
                              • 0

                              Originally posted by grotonsteel
                              Why shouldn't the offense go through your 100 million dollar QB??? You are against utilizing the strength of Steelers offense?

                              Do we have AP or CJ as a RB and T-jack at QB that we should emphasis more on run plays than pass plays??

                              To me it defies logic.
                              The offense should go through the $100 million QB. The only person saying that it isn't is Crash...

                              What I'm saying is this:

                              When a TD is scored, no one cares if it is a pass or a run...both count as 6 points...

                              When the team fails to score a TD, no one cares if it was three straight passes, three straight runs, or any combination thereof...
                              Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                              • Slapstick
                                Rookie
                                • May 2008
                                • 0

                                Originally posted by Crash
                                Legit question here: How much time have you spent in Pittsburgh during seasons? Either at games on in the city prior to them? Sports talk radio? Sports shows, etc?

                                Start listening to them on a regular basis. Then you'll see what I'm talking about.
                                Win Super Bowls and nobody complains...Steeler fans are spoiled...
                                Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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