Roethlisberger-Haley Relationship To Be Productive

[Crash]

Yes, but that defense "embarassed" Tom Brady in the regular season)

Yay, the beat Brady for the first time since 2004. He only won his previous four games against them. And let's not forget, the Steelers OFFENSE held the ball for 40 minutes that game. And what happened in the 4th? LeBeau's prevent AGAIN gave up a cheap TD and put the Patriots back in the game.

[ikestops85]

Yay, the beat Brady for the first time since 2004. He only won his previous four games against them. And let's not forget, the Steelers OFFENSE held the ball for 40 minutes that game. And what happened in the 4th? LeBeau's prevent AGAIN gave up a cheap TD and put the Patriots back in the game.

and here I thought a game was 60 minutes. When did they knock it down to 15?

[Slapstick]

The D held the Patriots O to 83 yards in the first half...

The Patriots probably wouldn't have been that close if Ben hadn't thrown a pick to Guyton...

Oh, and Suisham missed that FG in the fourth...

But, those are on the defense...

[Crash]

The defense wasn't on the field. The offense kept Brady on the sidelines the entire freaking game. Bottom line is Dick LeBeau's prevent defense sucks. It's always sucked. And it will suck for as long as he's our DC. I have no idea, why he would stop allowing his players to continue to do what works for 45 minutes, in the final 15.

[Crash]

and here I thought a game was 60 minutes. When did they knock it down to 15?

What happens in the first 45 is pretty pointless when LeBeau constantly allows teams to hang around in the 4th quarter. Sad, I have more confidence in his normal scheme and his players than he does.

[feltdizz]

sorry but I have to agree with Crash... our 4th quarter D is azzz. Sure they have good stats and rank in the top 5 every year but how many of you can honestly say you are confident our D will stop a team if it's a one possession game?

3rd down and insert any number you want and I bet you we give up a first down 60% of the time in the 4th quarter. The Baltimore game when Dixon was QB, what was it? 3rd and 28 and we gave up a 27 yard completion...

..and anyone who points out the Pats win needs to realize it took was 4 or 5 beatings by Brady for Lebeau to FINALLY change the D up.

[ikestops85]

I'm sorry but I look at defense as a whole. What do they do for me the entire game. When push comes to shove the only thing that matters is the points given up. In the last 5 years we have been either 1st or 2nd in allowing the least points scored in 4 of those years. Now if you want to come up with some stat that says we can't stop anybody in the 4th quarter then go ahead. They stop them in the first 3 quarters.

Maybe you would rather have New Englands defense. I'll bet you they haven't let nearly as many people come back on them in the 4th quarter as we have. Of course that might be because there offense consistently gives them a big lead. Something our offense is woefully bad at.

I really don't know how anybody can say we have a bad, ineffective defense. The argument is indefensible. Ask any fans or coaches around the league who consistently has a top defense and I'll bet you my next paycheck there will only be 2 teams mentioned ... the Ratbirds and us!

[Crash]

We don't allow our offense to blow teams out. We are too pre-occupied with running the ball and playing defense.

Our "defense" is actually our offense holding the ball.

This defense has two bad habits besides the 4th quarter: Give back points after we score points ourselves, and allowing points on opening drives of games.

[steelnavy]

We don't allow our offense to blow teams out. We are too pre-occupied with running the ball and playing defense.

Our "defense" is actually our offense holding the ball.

This defense has two bad habits besides the 4th quarter: Give back points after we score points ourselves, and allowing points on opening drives of games.

I disagree. The Steeler offense scores most points in the first half, then lays eggs in the second. The defense holds teams to almost nothing in the first half, and then gives up more in the second. So who is worse? The one ranked in the top 3-5 every year, or the one ranked in the middle to lower half every year? If we had the Pats crappy D, the Steelers would have been lucky to be 8-8 with the woeful production of the offense. On the other hand, you could insert a multitude of mediocre offenses into Steelers uniforms and the Steelers would still be competing for a playoff spot because of the outstanding defense.

[feltdizz]

We spend all our money on D. I expect them to be better than an offense with a franchise QB, crappy OL and young WR's.
The other problem is our offense tends to make some of the dumbest mistakes anytime we have a chance to put the nail in the coffin. Crappy passes, fumbles, drops, holding, false starts... you name it, we do it anytime we are up by 10 with a chance to ice the game.

[Crash]

If we had the Pats crappy D, the Steelers would have been lucky to be 8-8 with the woeful production of the offense.

If we had the Pats D, that means most of the money would be tied up with the offense like the Pats, correct?

When 8 of the highest 9 paid players after Ben are playing defense? Their 4th quarter defense should be better.

If I have a choice, to be either up 4 needing a stop, or down 4 needing a score to win the Super Bowl? I still hang my hat on the offense because LeBeau's 4th quarter scheme sucks.

[steelnavy]

[/COLOR]If we had the Pats D, that means most of the money would be tied up with the offense like the Pats, correct?

When 8 of the highest 9 paid players after Ben are playing defense? Their 4th quarter defense should be better.

If I have a choice, to be either up 4 needing a stop, or down 4 needing a score to win the Super Bowl? I still hang my hat on the offense because LeBeau's 4th quarter scheme sucks.

Two SBs ago, the D stopped the Cardinals on their last drive to win the game (albeit after Ben's amazing drive for 7). Last SB, Ben couldn't get it done and the Steelers lost. Maybe if the offense was better, the Steelers wouldnt have been in that position so many times...

[feltdizz]

Two SBs ago, the D stopped the Cardinals on their last drive to win the game (albeit after Ben's amazing drive for 7). Last SB, Ben couldn't get it done and the Steelers lost. Maybe if the offense was better, the Steelers wouldnt have been in that position so many times...

The Steelers D did what it normally does vs AZ. They played great and then gave up a few quick TD's...
I'm not going to give the Steelers D too much credit for that last stop.

The Steelers offense needs to improve but I think we need to be realistic about who we are on offense. We aren't bult to put up 40 points.

[steelnavy]

The Steelers D did what it normally does vs AZ. They played great and then gave up a few quick TD's...
I'm not going to give the Steelers D too much credit for that last stop.

The Steelers offense needs to improve but I think we need to be realistic about who we are on offense. We aren't bult to put up 40 points.

Really?!? Then who gets the credit? The cheerleaders? Just wow....

If we are not built to score points, then we should stop paying Ben so much money and let someone else do it for cheap. Except for you saying that, every year we heard about THIS being the year that the offense was going to finally click, that all of our offensive weapons were ready to go to the next level.... Blah blah blah. Seriously, you just make up whatever will support your crazy statements at the moment. Ugh...

[feltdizz]

Really?!? Then who gets the credit? The cheerleaders? Just wow....

If we are not built to score points, then we should stop paying Ben so much money and let someone else do it for cheap. Except for you saying that, every year we heard about THIS being the year that the offense was going to finally click, that all of our offensive weapons were ready to go to the next level.... Blah blah blah. Seriously, you just make up whatever will support your crazy statements at the moment. Ugh...

What's so crazy about admitting our offense isn't built to score 40 points? You said it yourself, every year we hear about being close.... blah blah blah. Hopefully Haley can tweak the offense to finish teams off but it won't be 35 or 40 points.

Ben gets paid to make plays in CLUTCH situations... if you want Brady or Rodgers it ain't happening.

If we hear about it EVERY year but it never happens maybe its because we aren't built for a high powered offense.