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  • Crash
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    • Apr 2009
    • 5008

    #16
    Haley will base the offense upon what the offense does well...not just what Roethlisberger likes to do


    Arians never did that either. If he did he wouldn't have wasted so much time with 2-3 TE garbage.

    According to the PG, the OL blocking schemes will remain the same. Everything else is being scrapped.

    Great, let the garbage OL alone and make the skill guys on this team learn a new system.

    Wonderful.

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    • RuthlessBurgher
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 33208

      #17
      Originally posted by Oviedo
      What a novel concept: keep what works and delete what doesn't.

      Can't see what is wrong with a good critical review of the playbook and possibly modifying it to match the talents and abilities of the players we have versus forcing a template. Perhaps haley should take the guy on the other side of the ball out to dinner and explain the concept
      Lord knows the personnel we have on defense is not suited to play in LeBeau's 3-4 scheme.
      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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      • grotonsteel
        Hall of Famer
        • Jul 2008
        • 2810

        #18
        2-3 TE set has to go.

        Offense will do well if you have your best players on the field. Last season best players were Ben-MW-AB-Sanders-JC-Miller

        DJ and Wesley Sanders has no buisness to be on the field.

        I want to see more 3-4 WR set under Haley. And for a change don't keep your TE only for blocking.

        Draft O-line heavily in this draft because right now Steelers have only 3 starters of which 1 has not played for 2 years now.
        Steelers Draft 2015
        Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
        Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
        Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
        Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
        Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
        Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
        Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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        • Oviedo
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 23824

          #19
          Originally posted by grotonsteel
          2-3 TE set has to go.

          Offense will do well if you have your best players on the field. Last season best players were Ben-MW-AB-Sanders-JC-Miller

          DJ and Wesley Sanders has no buisness to be on the field.

          I want to see more 3-4 WR set under Haley. And for a change don't keep your TE only for blocking.

          Draft O-line heavily in this draft because right now Steelers have only 3 starters of which 1 has not played for 2 years now.
          Better Guards will equal a better offense. The same Guards will equal the same problems.
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • Crash
            Legend
            • Apr 2009
            • 5008

            #20
            And they aren't changing the OL blocking schemes which tells me the OL will remain mostly the same and they'll draft defense early.

            I guess they do want to turn Ben into Carson Palmer.

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            • RuthlessBurgher
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 33208

              #21
              Originally posted by grotonsteel
              Offense will do well if you have your best players on the field. Last season best players were Ben-MW-AB-Sanders-JC-Miller.
              So are you advocating a 4-WR, 1-TE, 0-RB set to utilize our best players? Unless we are attempting a Hail Mary pass, I never understood the mentality of the empty backfield. Without at least the possible threat of a run, teams can just pins their ears back and rush the passer with reckless abandon.
              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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              • grotonsteel
                Hall of Famer
                • Jul 2008
                • 2810

                #22
                Originally posted by Crash
                And they aren't changing the OL blocking schemes which tells me the OL will remain mostly the same and they'll draft defense early.

                I guess they do want to turn Ben into Carson Palmer.
                Well if they are not changing the O-line then i guess i will start Fire Haley thread in Week-2.

                Steelers Offense will struggle if they don't improve their O-line. Currently Steelers don't have a LT. Last season they went with J Scott as LT. Are you kidding me??? Max Starks was the savior last season. Before that Flozell Adams. You just can;t play musical chairs with O-line.

                People say Tom Brady make their O-line better and still Billicheat keep drafting O-line early in the draft even though their Defense sucks.
                Steelers Draft 2015
                Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                • Crash
                  Legend
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 5008

                  #23
                  Tom Brady has 3 of the next 8 highest paid players on the Pats after him on his own OL. Last season 8 of the highest paid Steelers after Ben played defense.

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                  • Shawn
                    Legend
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 15131

                    #24
                    To have an offensive production as putrid as the Steelers, with the level of talent on the O side of the ball is unacceptable. I am all for a complete scrap of the playbook. Shoot, I wish I could get ahold of a Steeler playbook and burn it...bondfire style.
                    Trolls are people too.

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                    • grotonsteel
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 2810

                      #25
                      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                      So are you advocating a 4-WR, 1-TE, 0-RB set to utilize our best players? Unless we are attempting a Hail Mary pass, I never understood the mentality of the empty backfield. Without at least the possible threat of a run, teams can just pins their ears back and rush the passer with reckless abandon.
                      I am not an advocate of Empty Backfield on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2. But I would not mind more empty backfield if your RB is not good enough. I am not again expecting a 7 or 5-step drop with empty backfield. 3-step drop and ball is out within 1.5 sec. Let the teams rush the passer no one can get to the QB in 2 sec unless you are Melvin Ingram from USc..
                      Steelers Draft 2015
                      Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                      Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                      Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                      Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                      Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                      Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                      Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                      • grotonsteel
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 2810

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Crash
                        Tom Brady has 3 of the next 8 highest paid players on the Pats after him on his own OL. Last season 8 of the highest paid Steelers after Ben played defense.
                        And people say Tom Brady makes his O-line look better.

                        Not one single NFL team is willing to sign Steelers O-linemen. Starks was out of job last season when Steelers got him back. Essux,Kemo, Legs and Foster No offer yet.
                        Steelers Draft 2015
                        Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                        Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                        Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                        Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                        Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                        Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                        Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                        • DBR96A
                          Backup
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 469

                          #27
                          Originally posted by grotonsteel
                          And people say Tom Brady makes his O-line look better.

                          Not one single NFL team is willing to sign Steelers O-linemen. Starks was out of job last season when Steelers got him back. Essux,Kemo, Legs and Foster No offer yet.
                          For that matter, the starting C and RG during Super Bowl XLIII were both out of football within a year, and not due to old age either. Hell, Super Bowl XLIII was the last we'd seen Darnell Stapleton, and we haven't heard from Justin Hartwig since Maurkice Pouncey was drafted.
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                          • Oviedo
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 23824

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Crash
                            Tom Brady has 3 of the next 8 highest paid players on the Pats after him on his own OL. Last season 8 of the highest paid Steelers after Ben played defense.
                            Even with that embarassment of riches on the defensive side of ball Tim Tebow embarassed us last year in the play-offs. But hey I'm a just "hater" and everything is OK with the defense. Just stay on cruise control.
                            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                            • ikestops85
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 3724

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              Even with that embarassment of riches on the defensive side of ball Tim Tebow embarassed us last year in the play-offs. But hey I'm a just "hater" and everything is OK with the defense. Just stay on cruise control.
                              Yes, but that defense "embarassed" Tom Brady in the regular season.

                              We can all pick out a game here and a game there.
                              As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                              but Go Steelers!!!

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                              • Oviedo
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 23824

                                #30
                                Originally posted by ikestops85
                                Yes, but that defense "embarassed" Tom Brady in the regular season.

                                We can all pick out a game here and a game there.
                                The embarassed Tom Brady went to the Super Bowl and we didn't. I'm sure that helped him get over his embarassment
                                "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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