Mike Adams in many mock drafts

[Dee Dub]

What I have a hard time understanding is how Adams shoots up from a 3rd-4th round draft pick to a solid first...after half a season and a good Senior Bowl. I suppose that is what is confusing me. And it's not like he dominated his senior season. Maybe my very untrained eyes just are not seeing what they are seeing, but I am convinced that they are looking at a paper LT. He has all the measurables, played in a top program against top talent, and played during money time. But, I can't get the visions of him getting abused like a turnstyle out of my head. I suppose I'm just wrong.

I can answer that. It all started when he showed up at the Senior Bowl. It's called the eye-ball test. Physically (in shorts and a tee-shirt), he looks like the prototypical LT but as you have pointed out many times Shawn, it's more of what is in Adams head and heart that is his what makes him a below average prospect. If you go to the tape which I have many times you will see major inconsistency. His set up in pass blocking is 10 different ways throughout a game. He struggles mightily versus the speed rush off the edge. He looks lazy at times or maybe just not driven. And when he does set up right he generally doesn't stay on his block long enough. Regardless I could care less what experts say I've seen it with my own eyes. He isn't a quality first round talent in my opinion.

[Dee Dub]

No, not necessarily at all. There certainly are questions about his consistancy. That being said, there's always a strong market for experienced, talented 6'7" LT's in the NFL.

Chadman's only question, really, is- are the anti-Adams/pro-Adams people looking at him the same way as people that either follow Ohio St, or people that have an adverse dislike for all things Ohio St- in the end, both demographics are likely to feel some bias- good or bad- for Mike Adams.

Much in the way most of us on here are convinced James Harrison is not guilty of playing dangerously, yet nearly every other team's supporters &, of course, the NFL themselves, see him as a cheap-shot artist. Who has it right?

Time to re-quote Bill Cowher- "You're never as good as you think you are, you're never as bad as they say you are".

I could careless what school Adams played at. When I look at him I look at him as a player possibly for my favorite NFL team, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Having gone to ASU you think I like Georgia and Alabama? Nope...but I have been all over Cordy Glenn and Donta Hightower. Why? because of what they have done on the field. Not because of their college team.

[steelz09]

I could careless what school Adams played at. When I look at him I look at him as a player possibly for my favorite NFL team, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Having gone to ASU you think I like Georgia and Alabama? Nope...but I have been all over Cordy Glenn and Donta Hightower. Why? because of what they have done on the field. Not because of their college team.

I would take Glenn or Hightower over Adams.. no question.

[focosteeler]

I am the lamest judge of college talent by the claim of some (one of them is me), but that video didn't make me stand up and get happy. He seemed to have good natural squaring up skills, but when any technique was applied - spin move, swim, stop and go, etc. - he didn't seem to have the reaction. Also, some of his end stopping up skills to break runners outside looked like they would have been called holding in the NFL. Unless he played against Harrison, of course. Much of that could be coached, but first round seems like a reach.

Also, Chadman, you keep saying first round, but didn't the end of the video say second round projection? And, isn't it possible that the high praises for him are because the rest of the LTs are just not that great? Maybe this ranking is because he is the best of the so-so LTs in the draft.

Foco, going off of just position, I like your mock. I really can't give too much about the guys you actually named, but feel you addressed the needs as I see them. Is that Penn State NT just a project?

Thanks , I feel its a pipe dream but I can always hope....
I had to change it when I realized that the Jets traded away the 4th rounder that was included in my 'trade' when they got Tebow . Luckily Ruthless did the work and the math so I didn’t have to. I still think it is good but I liked it better before the Jets ruined my plans.
In regards to Damon Harrison (William Penn, NAIA) I am torn between him and a guy Charles Deas (Shaw, Div II) they both offer a lot of potential, despite coming from a small schools. I think that both are developmental guys. I dont think they have a chance of getting drafted so neither are in my new mock. I would like to bring them both into camp, keep one of them on the PS and one on the roster. See how a proper position coach and weightroom can develop them. I think this season especially if we don't draft one early on, there is no such thing as too many Nose Tackles early on in the year

[focosteeler]

What I have a hard time understanding is how Adams shoots up from a 3rd-4th round draft pick to a solid first...after half a season and a good Senior Bowl. I suppose that is what is confusing me. And it's not like he dominated his senior season. Maybe my very untrained eyes just are not seeing what they are seeing, but I am convinced that they are looking at a paper LT. He has all the measurables, played in a top program against top talent, and played during money time. But, I can't get the visions of him getting abused like a turnstyle out of my head. I suppose I'm just wrong.

I think that Adams is one of those guys that you need to forget his senior bowl and focus on the tape. Half of the tape I see he does nothing becaue the d-lineman he is supposed to be blocking is just working contain on Pryor. I will admit that I havent seen much film from this year. I think the senior bowl, combine is the time to find those guys who were covered up by a subpar team, small school/conference or playing out of position.

[Chadman]

I could careless what school Adams played at. When I look at him I look at him as a player possibly for my favorite NFL team, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Having gone to ASU you think I like Georgia and Alabama? Nope...but I have been all over Cordy Glenn and Donta Hightower. Why? because of what they have done on the field. Not because of their college team.

That's cool- some have mentioned that they are OSU fans, or would or would not draft players based on what college they played for. Obviously not every statement made will relate to every poster on the forum.

[Dee Dub]

That's cool- some have mentioned that they are OSU fans, or would or would not draft players based on what college they played for. Obviously not every statement made will relate to every poster on the forum.

You're alright Chadman. I respect you. You are solid poster. Question...is that you in your signature with the horse?

If so cool..you look like you belong on the HBO series.."Luck".

[Chadman]

You're alright Chadman. I respect you. You are solid poster. Question...is that you in your signature with the horse?

If so cool..you look like you belong on the HBO series.."Luck".

That is Chadman's horse- a nice little 2 year old filly by Snippetson. She's in her final preparation at the moment with a look to running barrier trials soon & then hopefully getting a race within the next couple of months. Chadman is a first-time owner, so it's all a little exciting at the moment, can't wait to see how she competes.

[Chadman]

Oh- and yes, that is Chadman too...

[Oviedo]

Oh- and yes, that is Chadman too...

I pictured a bush hat, big knife and a pet Kangaroo. Go figure

[Chadman]

I pictured a bush hat, big knife and a pet Kangaroo. Go figure

We Aussies wear that for our special occasions..

[RuthlessBurgher]

Thanks , I feel its a pipe dream but I can always hope....
I had to change it when I realized that the Jets traded away the 4th rounder that was included in my 'trade' when they got Tebow . Luckily Ruthless did the work and the math so I didn’t have to. I still think it is good but I liked it better before the Jets ruined my plans.
In regards to Damon Harrison (William Penn, NAIA) I am torn between him and a guy Charles Deas (Shaw, Div II) they both offer a lot of potential, despite coming from a small schools. I think that both are developmental guys. I dont think they have a chance of getting drafted so neither are in my new mock. I would like to bring them both into camp, keep one of them on the PS and one on the roster. See how a proper position coach and weightroom can develop them. I think this season especially if we don't draft one early on, there is no such thing as too many Nose Tackles early on in the year

We seem to be on the same wavelength regarding the draft this year, foco...same trades, many of the same players...I like the way you think. I ended up changing my sig mock (yet again) to make it simpler by just giving our #1 and #2 to Dallas for their #1 (I posted a huge rambling stream of consciousness post about it in the NFL draft sections that no one will probably read).