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  • SteelBucks
    Legend
    • Aug 2008
    • 8075

    #76
    Originally posted by birtikidis
    Slap, I don't ANYONE who would play hard for OSU. I know I wouldn't... I'd be so ashamed of myself that I wouldn't want ppl to know I was even there.
    Ironically, I feel the same way about Florida.

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    • RuthlessBurgher
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 33208

      #77
      Originally posted by Shawn
      I think they see first round talent, and are looking at him closer. My opinion is when they look closer they will see a guy who doesn't want to be great.
      The visits are more about getting to know a guy's personality. If you already know a guy is a born leader with charisma and fantastic work ethic, there is no reason to bring him in for a second look. If you already know a guy is a thug or a prima donna or a clubhouse cancer, there is no reason to bring him in for a second look. It's the guys on the fence that you want to see a little bit more of...they'll either impress you, or confirm some of your worries coming in...50/50 shot. After this visit, when they see how he interacts with staff during his visit, they could confirm solid interest in the guy, or conversely send him tumbling down our draft boards...we'll see.
      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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      • steelz09
        Administrator
        • Jan 2008
        • 4675

        #78
        I would ask myself again... what is Tomlin's long term strategy of this team w/ this selection?

        You say Gilbert is moving to LT which I think might be a mistake.... you have an overpaid Willie Colon who will play RT. Both are young and both are expected starters.... I'm not saying draft for need but I also don't see the strategy in the LT 1st round draft pick unless someone elite drops.
        Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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        • Chadman
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6537

          #79
          Originally posted by steelz09
          I would ask myself again... what is Tomlin's long term strategy of this team w/ this selection?

          You say Gilbert is moving to LT which I think might be a mistake.... you have an overpaid Willie Colon who will play RT. Both are young and both are expected starters.... I'm not saying draft for need but I also don't see the strategy in the LT 1st round draft pick unless someone elite drops.
          Only 2 days ago the idea of moving Colon inside to OG was discussed by Kevin Colbert, and from memory the idea of playing Gilbert at OG was discussed as well. Best 5 OL will play, Chadman would assume.
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          • SteelBucks
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            • Aug 2008
            • 8075

            #80
            Originally posted by steelz09
            I would ask myself again... what is Tomlin's long term strategy of this team w/ this selection?

            You say Gilbert is moving to LT which I think might be a mistake.... you have an overpaid Willie Colon who will play RT. Both are young and both are expected starters.... I'm not saying draft for need but I also don't see the strategy in the LT 1st round draft pick unless someone elite drops.
            Some, Mel Kiper for one, don't believe Adams will stay at Tackle for long and will eventually move to LG. Maybe the Steelers feel the same.

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            • focosteeler
              Starter
              • May 2010
              • 760

              #81
              Originally posted by SteelBucks
              Some, Mel Kiper for one, don't believe Adams will stay at Tackle for long and will eventually move to LG. Maybe the Steelers feel the same.
              just me, but I prefer my guards to have a nastier demeanor on the field than Adams appears to have
              1. CB – Marcus Peters – Washington – 6/190
              2. OG – Josue Matias – Florida State – 6-6/320
              3. OLB – Geneo Grissom – Oklahoma – 6-4/250
              4. DL – Ellis McCarthy – UCLA – 6-5/330
              5. TE – Jeff Heurman – Ohio State – 6-5/255
              6. FS – Adrian Amos – Penn State – 6/200
              7. DT – Terry Williams – East Carolina – 6-1/340

              UDFA
              DB – Justin Cox – Mississippi St. – 6-2/190
              OLB – Davis Tull – Chattanooga – 6-2/242

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              • Chadman
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 6537

                #82
                Originally posted by focosteeler
                just me, but I prefer my guards to have a nastier demeanor on the field than Adams appears to have
                Personally- Chadman thinks Adams is too long limbed & tall to play OG as well as he plays OT- he won't get the leverage required.

                Besides, if you take the 'consistancy' issue out of the conversation- he's an elite talent at OT. Neither Gilbert or Colon are elite talents- more your hardworking types.
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                • steelz09
                  Administrator
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 4675

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Chadman
                  Only 2 days ago the idea of moving Colon inside to OG was discussed by Kevin Colbert, and from memory the idea of playing Gilbert at OG was discussed as well. Best 5 OL will play, Chadman would assume.
                  I disagree. I've seen many, many instances on both offense and defense where the "best players" don't play or play enough especially o-line. Personally, I think our o-line could go from poor to possibly the top 25% in the league with little effort:

                  LT: Starks (if healthy) is our best option at LT
                  LG: DeCastro or Glenn ... either one would be fine by me
                  C: Pouncey
                  RG: Colon
                  RT: Gilbert

                  Colon isn't good at RT. period. Gilbert played better as a rookie RT than Colon has ever played.... His signing has been just as poor as Kemos previous contract. However, with that being said, I think he would be a really good RG.
                  Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                  • focosteeler
                    Starter
                    • May 2010
                    • 760

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Chadman
                    Personally- Chadman thinks Adams is too long limbed & tall to play OG as well as he plays OT- he won't get the leverage required.

                    Besides, if you take the 'consistancy' issue out of the conversation- he's an elite talent at OT. Neither Gilbert or Colon are elite talents- more your hardworking types.
                    I agree, somewhat similar to Ryan Miller from Colorado (who played Guard in college). Miller doesnt really have any major technique issues. But at 6'7" he takes a while to uncoil from his stance since he is so long, but unlike Adams I dont believe he has the ability to play LT in any capacity. Right tackle maybe after some seasoning.
                    1. CB – Marcus Peters – Washington – 6/190
                    2. OG – Josue Matias – Florida State – 6-6/320
                    3. OLB – Geneo Grissom – Oklahoma – 6-4/250
                    4. DL – Ellis McCarthy – UCLA – 6-5/330
                    5. TE – Jeff Heurman – Ohio State – 6-5/255
                    6. FS – Adrian Amos – Penn State – 6/200
                    7. DT – Terry Williams – East Carolina – 6-1/340

                    UDFA
                    DB – Justin Cox – Mississippi St. – 6-2/190
                    OLB – Davis Tull – Chattanooga – 6-2/242

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                    • SteelBucks
                      Legend
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 8075

                      #85
                      Originally posted by focosteeler
                      I agree, somewhat similar to Ryan Miller from Colorado (who played Guard in college). Miller doesnt really have any major technique issues. But at 6'7" he takes a while to uncoil from his stance since he is so long, but unlike Adams I dont believe he has the ability to play LT in any capacity. Right tackle maybe after some seasoning.
                      My bad, I reread Kiper's article and he thinks Adams is best suited for RT, not Guard. It's been a long day...need some sleep.

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                      • Djfan
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 5184

                        #86
                        I am the lamest judge of college talent by the claim of some (one of them is me), but that video didn't make me stand up and get happy. He seemed to have good natural squaring up skills, but when any technique was applied - spin move, swim, stop and go, etc. - he didn't seem to have the reaction. Also, some of his end stopping up skills to break runners outside looked like they would have been called holding in the NFL. Unless he played against Harrison, of course. Much of that could be coached, but first round seems like a reach.

                        Also, Chadman, you keep saying first round, but didn't the end of the video say second round projection? And, isn't it possible that the high praises for him are because the rest of the LTs are just not that great? Maybe this ranking is because he is the best of the so-so LTs in the draft.

                        Foco, going off of just position, I like your mock. I really can't give too much about the guys you actually named, but feel you addressed the needs as I see them. Is that Penn State NT just a project?
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                        • Chadman
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                          • May 2008
                          • 6537

                          #87
                          Also, Chadman, you keep saying first round, but didn't the end of the video say second round projection? And, isn't it possible that the high praises for him are because the rest of the LTs are just not that great? Maybe this ranking is because he is the best of the so-so LTs in the draft.
                          The video is also from 2010.

                          Every draft website- every one- has Adams as a 1st Round pick. Either all the 'experts' know nothing, or all of our 'experts' are using bias to judge a player.
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                          • Shawn
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                            • Mar 2008
                            • 15131

                            #88
                            What I have a hard time understanding is how Adams shoots up from a 3rd-4th round draft pick to a solid first...after half a season and a good Senior Bowl. I suppose that is what is confusing me. And it's not like he dominated his senior season. Maybe my very untrained eyes just are not seeing what they are seeing, but I am convinced that they are looking at a paper LT. He has all the measurables, played in a top program against top talent, and played during money time. But, I can't get the visions of him getting abused like a turnstyle out of my head. I suppose I'm just wrong.
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                            • Chadman
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 6537

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Shawn
                              What I have a hard time understanding is how Adams shoots up from a 3rd-4th round draft pick to a solid first...after half a season and a good Senior Bowl. I suppose that is what is confusing me. And it's not like he dominated his senior season. Maybe my very untrained eyes just are not seeing what they are seeing, but I am convinced that they are looking at a paper LT. He has all the measurables, played in a top program against top talent, and played during money time. But, I can't get the visions of him getting abused like a turnstyle out of my head. I suppose I'm just wrong.
                              No, not necessarily at all. There certainly are questions about his consistancy. That being said, there's always a strong market for experienced, talented 6'7" LT's in the NFL.

                              Chadman's only question, really, is- are the anti-Adams/pro-Adams people looking at him the same way as people that either follow Ohio St, or people that have an adverse dislike for all things Ohio St- in the end, both demographics are likely to feel some bias- good or bad- for Mike Adams.

                              Much in the way most of us on here are convinced James Harrison is not guilty of playing dangerously, yet nearly every other team's supporters &, of course, the NFL themselves, see him as a cheap-shot artist. Who has it right?

                              Time to re-quote Bill Cowher- "You're never as good as you think you are, you're never as bad as they say you are".
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                              • Oviedo
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 23824

                                #90
                                Originally posted by focosteeler
                                just me, but I prefer my guards to have a nastier demeanor on the field than Adams appears to have
                                Yep, but I would qualify that they need to be mean but with a brain unlike Kemo. At Guard you want someone who can overpower a man when required. I have never seen anything from Adams that says overpowering.
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