Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

[ikestops85]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

Hmmm, Cam Newton doesn't get the same attention as Tebow

I don't know what sports shows you watch but all I've heard for Rookie of the Year is Cam Newton. Tebows name was never mentioned for the 1st 5 games of the season. He took them on a 7 game win streak with an unusual style as a QB. That's why he got publicity. When he came out of college their were huge arguments on whether he could make it as a pro QB. Before that win streak most thought he never would. The win streak gave those who thought he could a chance to crow. The 3 losses right before the playoffs knocked him down again.

If the Steelers would have beat him we probably never would have heard of Tebow again, christian or not.

[phillyesq]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it.

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss.

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve, but being openly Christian automatically makes you a 'good' guy.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

JAR, try to put aside your anti-Christian bias for just a minute. You were the one who created this absurd comparison.

The issues with Pouncey are as follows:

1) He chose to promote a rapper almost immediately after a playoff loss, generating what is easily interpreted as a lack of interest in his team;

2) He chose to do so dropping "f" and "n" bombs; and

3) He attacked his fans after doing so without any real provocation.

My issue with Pouncey isn't so much number two -- I certainly drop my fair share of "f" bombs during an average Steelers game. I can't use the other word that he chose to use, but that is an entirely different issue.

The main issue here, IMO, is that he foolishly promotes a rapper immediately after the game (why the rush -- why not wait a day) and then attacks his fans.

How on earth is that analagous to taking a knee or thanking Jesus in an interview? Please, look at the two completely unrelated issues and consider, just for a second, how absurd you sound and how badly you're reaching for a connection where there is none.

[phillyesq]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

I don't mind Tebow as a football player but my problem is the unconditional love he is supposed to get from all fans because of his non football accolades.

Sanchez was also getting a ton of pub for his first 2 season's and plenty of fans didn't think he deserved it but no one was accused of being anti-Christian for not liking Sanchez.

This is the only reason people have issues with Tebow. Fans love and hate players all the time but for some reason Tebow isn't allowed to be hated on by fans. If the love for Tebow was strictly football based I could understand it but 60% of his pub is for his character.

I just think Tebow's skill level as a QB is sub par... he did make the 5 throws needed to beat us but I still see a FB at QB... When he improves as a QB I'll give him more credit.

What are your feelings on Donovan McNabb? If I remember correctly, you were a big McNabb supporter, but he is another QB who couldn't be criticized without the critic being labeled. Did you have the same disdain for McNabb because of this as you do for Tebow?

[phillyesq]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

Hmmm, Cam Newton doesn't get the same attention as Tebow

I don't know what sports shows you watch but all I've heard for Rookie of the Year is Cam Newton. Tebows name was never mentioned for the 1st 5 games of the season. He took them on a 7 game win streak with an unusual style as a QB. That's why he got publicity. When he came out of college their were huge arguments on whether he could make it as a pro QB. Before that win streak most thought he never would. The win streak gave those who thought he could a chance to crow. The 3 losses right before the playoffs knocked him down again.

If the Steelers would have beat him we probably never would have heard of Tebow again, christian or not.

Excellent point. Just like the Wildcat received a ton of hype and publicity a few years ago.

[JAR]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

Hmmm, Cam Newton doesn't get the same attention as Tebow

I don't know what sports shows you watch but all I've heard for Rookie of the Year is Cam Newton. Tebows name was never mentioned for the 1st 5 games of the season. He took them on a 7 game win streak with an unusual style as a QB. That's why he got publicity. When he came out of college their were huge arguments on whether he could make it as a pro QB. Before that win streak most thought he never would. The win streak gave those who thought he could a chance to crow. The 3 losses right before the playoffs knocked him down again.

If the Steelers would have beat him we probably never would have heard of Tebow again, christian or not.

I'm sorry, but there is no way Newton got the hype Tebow did, even if he did, he deserves because he can play football, unlike Tebow.

T.J. Yates is a rookie, just like Tebow and is still in the playoffs. What does he need to get the same hype, Tebow?

[JAR]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it.

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss.

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve, but being openly Christian automatically makes you a 'good' guy.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

JAR, try to put aside your anti-Christian bias for just a minute. You were the one who created this absurd comparison.

The issues with Pouncey are as follows:

1) He chose to promote a rapper almost immediately after a playoff loss, generating what is easily interpreted as a lack of interest in his team;

2) He chose to do so dropping "f" and "n" bombs; and

3) He attacked his fans after doing so without any real provocation.

My issue with Pouncey isn't so much number two -- I certainly drop my fair share of "f" bombs during an average Steelers game. I can't use the other word that he chose to use, but that is an entirely different issue.

The main issue here, IMO, is that he foolishly promotes a rapper immediately after the game (why the rush -- why not wait a day) and then attacks his fans.

How on earth is that analagous to taking a knee or thanking Jesus in an interview? Please, look at the two completely unrelated issues and consider, just for a second, how absurd you sound and how badly you're reaching for a connection where there is none.

So, if the Broncos lose this weekend and the first thing Tebow does is promote Jesus, that will be OK?

[feltdizz]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

I don't mind Tebow as a football player but my problem is the unconditional love he is supposed to get from all fans because of his non football accolades.

Sanchez was also getting a ton of pub for his first 2 season's and plenty of fans didn't think he deserved it but no one was accused of being anti-Christian for not liking Sanchez.

This is the only reason people have issues with Tebow. Fans love and hate players all the time but for some reason Tebow isn't allowed to be hated on by fans. If the love for Tebow was strictly football based I could understand it but 60% of his pub is for his character.

I just think Tebow's skill level as a QB is sub par... he did make the 5 throws needed to beat us but I still see a FB at QB... When he improves as a QB I'll give him more credit.

What are your feelings on Donovan McNabb? If I remember correctly, you were a big McNabb supporter, but he is another QB who couldn't be criticized without the critic being labeled. Did you have the same disdain for McNabb because of this as you do for Tebow?

I was never a big McNabb fan but I thought he was unfairly criticized give the WR talent he had to work with and the philosophy Reid had of passing on every 3rd and inches.

When you look at how much the Eagles pass the ball and how many times they made it to championship games I thought it was a little weird he was getting called out.

Rush saying he couldn't be criticized because he was black was crazy talk...

Everyone says I'm a Manning supporter or a McNabb supporter.. pretty much anything but a Ben supporter because that's who I criticize the most because that's who I watch the most.

You know what... I just read your name, I probably did come off as a big McNabb fan on the Trib because I lived in Philly for 5 years and they used to blame McNabb when the Phillies lost.

[feltdizz]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

So eloquent, only a Chadman could do it.

Tebow is know for his religiousness not for his play.

I'm sorry but I think that is a ridiculous statement. We never would have heard about Tebow except for his stellar play at Florida. The religious thing is just an angle that the media concentrates on. It makes him a bit different than other players. I've hated UF since the Spurrier days and I'm not a fan of religions but this type of attack on Tebow is horrible.

I don't know if any of you remember the Raiders when George Blanda came off the bench and QBed them and kicked winning FGs in something like 5 weeks in a row much the same as Tebow has done this year. That was years ago without the same media scrutiny as today yet Blanda became a household name. I don't know if he was religious or not ... nor do I care.

Ben looks and then points to the sky after every touchdown he throws. Should Ben not be allowed to do that? Ben has also mentioned in many interviews that Christianity is an important part of his life. Again, should he not be allowed to do that?

Let these guys, Tebow included, do what they do as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. I hate all the pub about Tebow also, same as I hate the pub of Belichick being the best coach of all time or Peyton being the God of QBs. Yet I love when they say Troy is the best safety or Ben is a great QB. We just have to let this stuff go ... it's going to happen and there's nothing we can do about it.

Now to address the thread. Pouncey just watched his favored team lose to an inferior team. He didn't get to play and now his season is over. Can you say frustrated? He probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff but give the guy a break. I'm not on the team yet my family knows enough to stay away from me for a few hours after a loss.

As I stated earlier, Cam Newton had the same accomplishments as Tebow and even mid-season didn't garner half of the attention Tebow did and was playing much better ball. A.J. Yates is a rookie and still in the playoffs, where is his non-stop media attention?

There is only one reason Tebow is in the media ad nauseum..his very open and in your face Christianity. Other players, ie Ben, Troy show their religiousness, but not to the point Tebow does.

If Pouncey was tweeting about Jesus, the same people ridiculing him now, wouldn't care. He tweeted some words others felt were offensive or thug like so they don't approve, but being openly Christian automatically makes you a 'good' guy.

Tebow's over the top in your face Christianity is offensive to some, just as the F word is to others. Using the F word doesn't make you a non team player or a thug as the title of this thread seems to insinuate.

JAR, try to put aside your anti-Christian bias for just a minute. You were the one who created this absurd comparison.

The issues with Pouncey are as follows:

1) He chose to promote a rapper almost immediately after a playoff loss, generating what is easily interpreted as a lack of interest in his team;

2) He chose to do so dropping "f" and "n" bombs; and

3) He attacked his fans after doing so without any real provocation.

My issue with Pouncey isn't so much number two -- I certainly drop my fair share of "f" bombs during an average Steelers game. I can't use the other word that he chose to use, but that is an entirely different issue.

The main issue here, IMO, is that he foolishly promotes a rapper immediately after the game (why the rush -- why not wait a day) and then attacks his fans.

How on earth is that analagous to taking a knee or thanking Jesus in an interview? Please, look at the two completely unrelated issues and consider, just for a second, how absurd you sound and how badly you're reaching for a connection where there is none.

So, if the Broncos lose this weekend and the first thing Tebow does is promote Jesus, that will be OK?

I see what you did...

[bostonsteeler]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

[JAR]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

Notice how I get an anti-Christian bias label because what Tebow does offends me? "You hate Tebow because he loves God!"

Tebow rams his religion in your face, hell he even had a commercial during the SB last year. Ben, Troy and others do not and it's also not what made them famous.

He's only a media sensation for one reason and one reason only and his promotion of Jesus, before, during and after games is OK by some because being a Christian is the only 'right' thing to do.

[phillyesq]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

Notice how I get an anti-Christian bias label because what Tebow does offends me? "You hate Tebow because he loves God!"

Tebow rams his religion in your face, hell he even had a commercial during the SB last year. Ben, Troy and others do not and it's also not what made them famous.

He's only a media sensation for one reason and one reason only and his promotion of Jesus, before, during and after games is OK by some because being a Christian is the only 'right' thing to do.

You've been pretty explicit that you hate his message and the fact that he conveys it. I don't equate a hate of Tebow with anti-Christianity. But when you go out of your way to say that his Christian message offends you, your bias becomes apparent.

I don't even particularly care for Tebow. I think he throws some of the uggliest passes I've ever seen.

He could take a knee after a game or sacrifice a virgin, but either way, it doesn't change the fact that Pouncey acted like a selfish, immature prick.

[phillyesq]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Chadman, first, I will agree with you that this topic has gotten out of hand.

Just a technical clarification -- the PG reporter did not have to seek out Pouncey's responses. Any of Pouncey's 54,000+ followers would automatically see his responses. I'm not going to take the time to look through the list, but I'd be willing to bet that there are a few reporters among his followers. What would take effort and legwork is looking at the tweets to which Pouncey was responding -- I took the time and posted those earlier.

Quite frankly, despite over 100 posts on the topic, I fail to see any rational connection between Pouncey's tweets and Tebow.

Dude, you answered yourself.

Pouncey's tweets were primarily to the 54000 people who *chose to follow him*. Any further publicity they got were secondary -- being passed on.

Tebow's obvious exhibition of his religiousness is not to people who follow *him* -- its to everyone who follows the NFL.

The former is not being thrust on anyone other than those who subscribe to having it thrust on them. The latter is just in your face.

A large number of us here, maybe the majority even, are religious in our own way. You wouldn't know it. That's normal. Tebow is not. He's out there somehow trying to show everyone how he is more christian or good or religious than they by his public demonstrations. Its more than annoying, its offensive, not only to the atheists and anti-christian folks, but also to many decent christian folks as well.

A large number of us say stupid things in our own private soapboxes. Pouncey did too. You may not agree with what he said, but its not abnormal behavior for a 22 year old.

I find nothing annoying about Troy -- he thanks his god in a quick gesture and isn't in your face about it.

Pouncey is a public figure. If he didn't see the reaction to the tweets of Mendenhall and Santonio and expect that anything he said would be publicized, he's dumber than he appears from his twitter account.

[phillyesq]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

So, if the Broncos lose this weekend and the first thing Tebow does is promote Jesus, that will be OK?

The first thing he always does is give thanks, then talks about his teammates, then the outcome of the game. It's not at all the same situation. You're grasping for a connection where there is none.

[feltdizz]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Fans should be able to not like Tebow without getting called anti-christian.

[phillyesq]

Re: Uh-Oh! Remember my thoughts on Pouncey?

Fans should be able to not like Tebow without getting called anti-christian.

I completely agree, but I don't see where this is the case. The talk all week leading up to the game was about how he's a terrible qb -- nobody said anything about that being anti-Christian.