Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoffs?

[sd steel]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

Still no one has answered my question. When has the Steeler offense ever been consistantly dominant? Were we when we won our last 2 Super Bowls? The league isn't set up that way. Any given team can have your number on any given day which leads to the parity that we have in this league. Ben's style in itself leads to our ability to beat any team or to be tremendously inconsistant. Whining about it isn't going to make it better. Bringing in a new OC most likely won't change the way Ben plays. I'm just saying I am happy that we are in the playoffs because anything can happen. It's great entertainment, and we still have a chance to come home with number 7.

[feltdizz]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

Hey Feltdizz, Ben dropped back 42 times to pass in a brutally windy stadium,continues to call passes when the QB is clearly off and is hobbling around.
The continued 5 wr sets with no chance of Ben scrambling on a hobbled leg is an invitation for a pass rusher to go all out knowing no run is possible.
BA severely handicaps our offense week after week.
How do you defend the fades in the endzone?
Can you, they were disgratz.....
Who called the plays?


On another note, if Ben throws that ball to Heath,the safety kills Heath or picks it off because Ben was pretty much off all day whether it be for the wind or his ankle.

There wasn't a safety over the top when Heath was wide open. Ben wasn't under a ton of pressure all day and we don't know how many times Ben checked out of a run. We ran the ball 36 times and Redman fumbled twice.

I could see if Mend wasn't hurt and Moore was available but under the circumstances I can't blame BA for relying on Ben.

The fade routes were horrible. Terrible play calls... I'm not saying BA is perfect or one of the best but I can't blame him for all of our woes on offense.

[feltdizz]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

Still no one has answered my question. When has the Steeler offense ever been consistantly dominant? Were we when we won our last 2 Super Bowls? The league isn't set up that way. Any given team can have your number on any given day which leads to the parity that we have in this league. Ben's style in itself leads to our ability to beat any team or to be tremendously inconsistant. Whining about it isn't going to make it better. Bringing in a new OC most likely won't change the way Ben plays. I'm just saying I am happy that we are in the playoffs because anything can happen. It's great entertainment, and we still have a chance to come home with number 7.

We usually sleep walk on offense for periods of the season and wake up when the playoffs start.

[pittpete]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

No safety over the top but the safety was close enough,rewatch it..

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

You got that right about being a two sided coin offense. That's what chaps me so much when, you see our team with all this talent and then they just seem to get into a funk or they seem to play away from their strengths or something.

They can be real good when they're good but when they get ugly, I just shake my head and wonder why.

I still think if there is any game our team ever showed up for it, will be against the ravens.

And that is the question. Why do the Steelers struggle with consistency? Is it Arians? Is it Ben? Is it a pourous OL?

I don't know but I can tell you that it isn't from a lack of talent. IMO, this Steeler team has as much talent as the Packers or the Saints have on O. .

i dont think its even close.

we all see the struggles wallace has on short routes. AB has been amazing but he's a little guy that can get pushed around at the LOS.
their TEs are much more athletic then heath.
our WR corps isnt as rounded out as the others. they have some big tall guys to go along with the fast quick guys that we seem to have an abundance of.
their OL's dont constantly put them in 1st and 20's with dumb penalties or 2and 13's with poor run blocking

that said, brees and rodgers are also playing at a level above ben and just about evey other QB in the league

[feltdizz]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

No safety over the top but the safety was close enough,rewatch it..

If Ben and Heath can't complete that pass they should both be on the bench. Even if the pass isnt completed it's a higher percentage pass then the one to Wallace.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

Hey Feltdizz, Ben dropped back 42 times to pass in a brutally windy stadium,continues to call passes when the QB is clearly off and is hobbling around.
The continued 5 wr sets with no chance of Ben scrambling on a hobbled leg is an invitation for a pass rusher to go all out knowing no run is possible.
BA severely handicaps our offense week after week.
How do you defend the fades in the endzone?
Can you, they were disgratz.....
Who called the plays?


On another note, if Ben throws that ball to Heath,the safety kills Heath or picks it off because Ben was pretty much off all day whether it be for the wind or his ankle.

There wasn't a safety over the top when Heath was wide open. .

yes there was
clear as day on the replay

now he could have squeezed it in before the safety had gotten there but the safer throw was to the corner where the S had no chance to get there

[feltdizz]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

You got that right about being a two sided coin offense. That's what chaps me so much when, you see our team with all this talent and then they just seem to get into a funk or they seem to play away from their strengths or something.

They can be real good when they're good but when they get ugly, I just shake my head and wonder why.

I still think if there is any game our team ever showed up for it, will be against the ravens.

And that is the question. Why do the Steelers struggle with consistency? Is it Arians? Is it Ben? Is it a pourous OL?

I don't know but I can tell you that it isn't from a lack of talent. IMO, this Steeler team has as much talent as the Packers or the Saints have on O. .

i dont think its even close.

we all see the struggles wallace has on short routes. AB has been amazing but he's a little guy that can get pushed around at the LOS.
their TEs are much more athletic then heath.
our WR corps isnt as rounded out as the others. they have some big tall guys to go along with the fast quick guys that we seem to have an abundance of.
their OL's dont constantly put them in 1st and 20's with dumb penalties or 2and 13's with poor run blocking

that said, brees and rodgers are also playing at a level above ben and just about evey other QB in the league

Ben hasn't been on all year besides the Pats game and the Titans game. I could see if Ben was playing lights out football and wenwere struggling but he is off this year and we are 12-4.

I would love to have those other teams production but we will see some of these teams lose and it wot matter that they had 60 point games or threw for 6000 yards.

[Wilkinsburg]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

How can we move the ball up and down the field yet not get it in the end zone? But then, how can we turn the ball over 3 times a game and still win 12? Maybe we can play our way out of the funk in Denver and get on a roll. Perhaps having to play in the wild card game was the bet thing to happen.

[Sword]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

If we play to win with good execution on plays we will go far...

We cannot win a Superbowl or big playoff games without, the Defense creating turnovers and our offense scoring touchdowns...

to someone else who posted about something weird with our offense.
I said, the same thing to myself it's like we don't have solid offensive plays
and \ or not executing them very well!!!!!!

In 2005 we played in those games to win.... establishing the pass game to run ..
You heard me establishing the pass game to run......

Sword

[williar]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

Still no one has answered my question. When has the Steeler offense ever been consistantly dominant? Were we when we won our last 2 Super Bowls? The league isn't set up that way. Any given team can have your number on any given day which leads to the parity that we have in this league. Ben's style in itself leads to our ability to beat any team or to be tremendously inconsistant. Whining about it isn't going to make it better. Bringing in a new OC most likely won't change the way Ben plays. I'm just saying I am happy that we are in the playoffs because anything can happen. It's great entertainment, and we still have a chance to come home with number 7.

In an attempt at answering your question, I agree that the steeler offense hasn't been consistently dominant in the Roethlisberger era. All statistical numbers aside, because statistics can be manipulated to support an opinion either way. Great defenses have been the centerpiece of our success. That has worked successfully for us in the past. But have you noticed what type of teams are dominating today? NO, GB, NE, and I'd bet my money that one of these teams is going to win the SB. What do these teams have in common. Offenses that can put up numerous points on anybody's defense.

I guess the point I am trying to make is, the further we settle in to the Goodell regime, the further we seem to get away dominant defenses succeeding. Our team is going to need to adjust to the trend. Having a great defense and a marginal, inconsistent offense isn't going to win us anymore SB's. Not the way things are trending now in the NFL.....

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

I don't think the offense is the concern even with Mendy gone. I think it all hinges on the defense. I'm feeling a little better about the run D as long as the age up the middle doesn't show its ugly face. I think the watching of the snap counts with Farrior & Hampton has been noticable down the stretch. I just hope there is enough fuel in the tank for 4 more games. I think the return to the SB lies with how quickly we get Woodley back and how quickly Lewis & Allen return. The relationship between the two will be exploited against the Pats - Packers Or Saints. The path to #7 goes through 2 of those teams. If we can get Lewis and/or Allen back after the Broncos Things will start to look better.

[sd steel]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

Still no one has answered my question. When has the Steeler offense ever been consistantly dominant? Were we when we won our last 2 Super Bowls? The league isn't set up that way. Any given team can have your number on any given day which leads to the parity that we have in this league. Ben's style in itself leads to our ability to beat any team or to be tremendously inconsistant. Whining about it isn't going to make it better. Bringing in a new OC most likely won't change the way Ben plays. I'm just saying I am happy that we are in the playoffs because anything can happen. It's great entertainment, and we still have a chance to come home with number 7.

In an attempt at answering your question, I agree that the steeler offense hasn't been consistently dominant in the Roethlisberger era. All statistical numbers aside, because statistics can be manipulated to support an opinion either way. Great defenses have been the centerpiece of our success. That has worked successfully for us in the past. But have you noticed what type of teams are dominating today? NO, GB, NE, and I'd bet my money that one of these teams is going to win the SB. What do these teams have in common. Offenses that can put up numerous points on anybody's defense.

I guess the point I am trying to make is, the further we settle in to the Goodell regime, the further we seem to get away dominant defenses succeeding. Our team is going to need to adjust to the trend. Having a great defense and a marginal, inconsistent offense isn't going to win us anymore SB's. Not the way things are trending now in the NFL.....

In reality isn't it the same every year? The GBs, NEs*, NO's are always the pick to win because of the high powered offense, and sometimes they win, and sometimes the team that has the best defense wins.

As long as Ben is the QB and our oline is suspect we will always be inconsistent offensively. We will have big plays and great drives and even great games, but Ben is a wild card, and if he is on and running no huddle we will move the ball with the best of them, or if Arians calls some good plays and the oline blocks we will have success, but if Ben isn't on and the Oline plays subpar your guess is as good as mine as how many points we will score. The consistantency of our defense is why the Steelers compete year in and year out. And that isn't going to change anytime soon.

[SteelCrazy]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

[quote=sd steel]

Still no one has answered my question. When has the Steeler offense ever been consistantly dominant? Were we when we won our last 2 Super Bowls? The league isn't set up that way. Any given team can have your number on any given day which leads to the parity that we have in this league. Ben's style in itself leads to our ability to beat any team or to be tremendously inconsistant. Whining about it isn't going to make it better. Bringing in a new OC most likely won't change the way Ben plays. I'm just saying I am happy that we are in the playoffs because anything can happen. It's great entertainment, and we still have a chance to come home with number 7.

In an attempt at answering your question, I agree that the steeler offense hasn't been consistently dominant in the Roethlisberger era. All statistical numbers aside, because statistics can be manipulated to support an opinion either way. Great defenses have been the centerpiece of our success. That has worked successfully for us in the past. But have you noticed what type of teams are dominating today? NO, GB, NE, and I'd bet my money that one of these teams is going to win the SB. What do these teams have in common. Offenses that can put up numerous points on anybody's defense.

I guess the point I am trying to make is, the further we settle in to the Goodell regime, the further we seem to get away dominant defenses succeeding. Our team is going to need to adjust to the trend. Having a great defense and a marginal, inconsistent offense isn't going to win us anymore SB's. Not the way things are trending now in the NFL.....

In reality isn't it the same every year? The GBs, NEs*, NO's are always the pick to win because of the high powered offense, and sometimes they win, and sometimes the team that has the best defense wins.

As long as Ben is the QB and our oline is suspect we will always be inconsistent offensively. We will have big plays and great drives and even great games, but Ben is a wild card, and if he is on and running no huddle we will move the ball with the best of them, or if Arians calls some good plays and the oline blocks we will have success, but if Ben isn't on and the Oline plays subpar your guess is as good as mine as how many points we will score. The consistantency of our defense is why the Steelers compete year in and year out. And that isn't going to change anytime soon.[/quote:dd3qyfm6]


I probably could have said it more manly, but i agree

[Oviedo]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

I don't think the offense is the concern even with Mendy gone. I think it all hinges on the defense. I'm feeling a little better about the run D as long as the age up the middle doesn't show its ugly face. I think the watching of the snap counts with Farrior & Hampton has been noticable down the stretch. I just hope there is enough fuel in the tank for 4 more games. I think the return to the SB lies with how quickly we get Woodley back and how quickly Lewis & Allen return. The relationship between the two will be exploited against the Pats - Packers Or Saints. The path to #7 goes through 2 of those teams. If we can get Lewis and/or Allen back after the Broncos Things will start to look better.

I think there is a huge concern with the offense with Mendy gone. He was the only legit threat to go long of all our RBs. Redman's style plays right into the Broncos strngth of stopping up the middle runs. They have gotten destroyed by RBs who can take the edge and have speed.

Combine the Mendy loss with the depleted secondary and this game will be much closer than it ever should be.