Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoffs?

[Shawn]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

It depends on which Ben, and which Steeler offense show up. Lets be honest this is a Jeckyll and Hyde offense. When they are clicking, this is a top 3-4 O in the NFL.

My fear is this...Denver's D keeps them in this game, and we give Tebow a chance to win a playoff game at the end...at the Steelers expense.

[fezziwig]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

You got that right about being a two sided coin offense. That's what chaps me so much when, you see our team with all this talent and then they just seem to get into a funk or they seem to play away from their strengths or something.

They can be real good when they're good but when they get ugly, I just shake my head and wonder why.

I still think if there is any game our team ever showed up for it, will be against the ravens.

[Shawn]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

You got that right about being a two sided coin offense. That's what chaps me so much when, you see our team with all this talent and then they just seem to get into a funk or they seem to play away from their strengths or something.

They can be real good when they're good but when they get ugly, I just shake my head and wonder why.

I still think if there is any game our team ever showed up for it, will be against the ravens.

And that is the question. Why do the Steelers struggle with consistency? Is it Arians? Is it Ben? Is it a pourous OL?

I don't know but I can tell you that it isn't from a lack of talent. IMO, this Steeler team has as much talent as the Packers or the Saints have on O. My suspicion is that it's a combo of Arians and the OL.

[Steelgal]

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So far, all the talking heads are saying this will be an easy Steeler win. I hate when that happens. Mike and Mike were surprised the line on the game wasn't double digits. They play better as underdogs and hope they don't start reading all the headlines this week. This would be the biggest upset of the weekend, IMO, if the Broncos win.

[fezziwig]

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Shawn I think you nailed it with Arians and the O-line. I hate to keep bashing Arians but the guy just isn't a good coach. Not every team is going to have an all pro O-line but, the coach or coaches do get around that or can get around that with better play calling.

Listening to the Fan radio station just now with their two annoucers they are pretty much saying the same thing.
Josh Miller just got through saying, " I'm baffled that the Browns have one of the worse run defenses but, Arians has an injured Ben throwing 40 times in the game. "

I'm learning how Arian thinks and his way of thinking is, he's going to be the reason the offense does well. Not that they have talent or these guys lift weights or what ever attributes you can place on the players but, Arians ego or stupidity approaches the games as, this team can't do this so I will fool them by not attacking their weaknesses.

Not that I have figured him but, he has said that stupid stuff before.

Ben, Hines, Wallce, Sanders, Miller, Mendenhall, Redmen, Brown, Cotchry, saunders and this team struggles to put points on the board ?
They looked like heck against the Cheifs, Colts, Browns and any scrub team that they should have throttled.

In Arians defense, he isn't the one turning the ball over either but, that's just one piece of the problem puzzle. If this offense was a 100 piece puzzle, the o-line is five pieces of the puzzle the turnovers are ten pieces of the puzzle, injuries four pieces of the puzzle and the remaining pieces of problems go directly on Arians. Tomlin too because he hasn't stepped on Arians throat yet to tell him to get the job done. I wonder if Tomlin even knows enough about an offense to realize this guy can't shift gears with this racecar offense that we have ?

[pittpete]

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In response to Arians and the O-line some will say its the players not executing.
We all know dam well that when things arent working then you need to change.
Now the question is are you changing because the players just cant execute the plays you have or because opposing defenses are anticipating what you are trying to do?
All I can see when I watch the games is an offense with no continuity.
It feels like Helter Skelter,mayhem and Jojo the idiot circus boy(the movie-TommyBoy)all rolled into one.
We could be running the ball with success and than you say wow,this would be the perfect time to go play action and then Bruce will call a bubble screen with the opposing defense all up on the line and we lose 2 yards.
The only time this offense seems to succeed barring a turnover is when they are running the no huddle.
Also you're going to tell me that those lousy fade routes near from the 10 were the only plays they had up thier sleeve?

[Mister Pittsburgh]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

This offense is painful. Time for Ben's uncle Bruce to get the hell out of town. Part of the issue is crap formations, crap play design, and part Ben being an idiot. After this season I really have come to the belief that Ben won't ever run a smooth consistent offense like Rodgers, Brees, or Brady because he isn't as smart as they are.

I think you covered all of my complaints MP. Formations that are obvious (cant stand the empty set), two WRs nearly running into each other in their patterns, no RB screens, no continuity in blocking.
To move forward, the Steelers will need to rely on the other team to play even worse than they are. Not a huge positive.
The offense needs a remake during the off-season including finding a couple of decent guards for the OL.

I just want to clarify when I say he may not be as 'smart' as those top echelon of QB's I strictly mean in a football, pre-snap reading, field general sense. I have no idea how smart Ben is in a non-football environment.

[pittpete]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

I said "what are a moron" when he tried to get them to the line to spike the ball with a timeout left.

[fezziwig]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

pittpete, you are soon becoming my hero. You perfectly described Arians and lack of game play calling, the two steps forward and three steps back offense that he fields each week. Almost each week. He did have two complete games this season that I thought the offense did well.

Some of our fans might not believe this but, other teams have injuries and problems too and they seem to coach around those problems.

[DukieBoy]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

You got that right about being a two sided coin offense. That's what chaps me so much when, you see our team with all this talent and then they just seem to get into a funk or they seem to play away from their strengths or something.

They can be real good when they're good but when they get ugly, I just shake my head and wonder why.

I still think if there is any game our team ever showed up for it, will be against the ravens.

And that is the question. Why do the Steelers struggle with consistency? Is it Arians? Is it Ben? Is it a pourous OL?

I don't know but I can tell you that it isn't from a lack of talent. IMO, this Steeler team has as much talent as the Packers or the Saints have on O. My suspicion is that it's a combo of Arians and the OL.

x2

[pittpete]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

Flynn throws 6 TDs, Packers beat Lions 45-41
McCarthy said it was an "easy call" to rest Rodgers -- although he did keep his quarterback involved in the game by letting him call some plays.

No matter who was calling plays, Flynn was making it work.

Backup QB in a great system....hmmmmmmm

[feltdizz]

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It always comes down to the same 3 or 4 posters bashing BA for all of our woes. I'm sorry but when you have 400+ yards and 13 points with 2 or 3 TO's it's not the coordinator it's the players.

I'm not surprised that everyone but Ben is being blamed for our woes. The OL has kept Ben pretty clean and on the play he was injured he had 5 to 6 seconds to run, throw it away or dump it off short and he chose none of them.

Last game we had one time out, 15 seconds and Ben is trying to snap the ball. Not smart at all for a vet QB. On the pass to Wallace that could have been intercepted Heath was wide open over the middle. Ben is in love with the deep ball and we keep stalling because he won't take the short stuff.

We don't know how many times Ben is checking out of runs so I can't comment on the run vs pass ratio last game but we were making good gains on the ground but Redman kept putting the ball on the ground.

Not sure how the OL and BA are to blame when we had 6 fumbles and 5 INT's the last 3 or 4 games.

I can't take anyone seriously when they refuse to blame the QB who isn't playing as well as we all know he is capable of playing. I know he is hurt but it wasn't because the OL failed him it was because of his decision making.

Hines, Heath, Moore, Redman all put the ball on the ground and it costs us points... just wanted to add them to the list so people don't think I'm Ben bashing.

It's not the OL or BA... it's the players making mistakes that turn the ball over or kill drives with penalties.

Flynn from Gb had a great game but Detroit DB's aren't the best and te GB players made plays... when the ball wasn't on point their WR's fought for the ball and they push off without hesitation. Besides Brown we have a fast WR who needs the ball to be perfectly thrown and Sanders can't get healthy.

It's hard to blame coaching when your team is doing everything but finishing drives with TDs

[Mister Pittsburgh]

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Arians has pretty much stated we don't attack a teams weakness and we don't adjust our gameplan based on the talents of our own players. Wes Saunders isn't a target?????? All our WR have trouble getting open? Every normal RB screen is sniffed out? I think the gameplans and overall play design is crap.

[NorthCoast]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

So far, all the talking heads are saying this will be an easy Steeler win. I hate when that happens. Mike and Mike were surprised the line on the game wasn't double digits. They play better as underdogs and hope they don't start reading all the headlines this week. This would be the biggest upset of the weekend, IMO, if the Broncos win.

My guess is that a big part of the Vegas line is a 12-4 team going against an 8-8 team. The rest of the betting world doesnt see the gory details of the Steelers offense from week to week.

[pittpete]

Re: Be honest can this offense take us deep into the playoff

Hey Feltdizz, Ben dropped back 42 times to pass in a brutally windy stadium,continues to call passes when the QB is clearly off and is hobbling around.
The continued 5 wr sets with no chance of Ben scrambling on a hobbled leg is an invitation for a pass rusher to go all out knowing no run is possible.
BA severely handicaps our offense week after week.
How do you defend the fades in the endzone?
Can you, they were disgratz.....
Who called the plays?


On another note, if Ben throws that ball to Heath,the safety kills Heath or picks it off because Ben was pretty much off all day whether it be for the wind or his ankle.