Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

[Shoe]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Playoffs are coming and the slate is wiped clean. With a healthy Harrison and Woodley back in their familiar positions outside, I expect to see a loaded-for-bear Timmons unleashed.

What makes you think Woodley will be back in his familiar position. The guy has taken:
-the first 1/4 of the season off
-the 3/4 of the season off
-and this last 4/4 of the season off

What makes you think he will be in there? The guy is stealing money from the team as far as I'm concerned. jhansle said it best--Timmons was supposed to be "a playmaker" on our D... a D that is thirsting for ONE MORE playmaker. It's basically impacted our whole team, in not being able to get turnovers, get off the field more on D, etc. He's not doing it.

[steelsnis]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

What makes you think Woodley will be back in his familiar position. The guy has taken:
-the first 1/4 of the season off
-the 3/4 of the season off
-and this last 4/4 of the season off

What makes you think he will be in there? The guy is stealing money from the team as far as I'm concerned. jhansle said it best--Timmons was supposed to be "a playmaker" on our D... a D that is thirsting for ONE MORE playmaker. It's basically impacted our whole team, in not being able to get turnovers, get off the field more on D, etc. He's not doing it.

And yet, somehow, this team is 11-4 heading into the final game of the year. It's all about the playoffs in this league. You know it and I know it. Let's see how it all shakes out in the REAL season before we start accusing guys of "stealing money."

I get it that you're not a Woodley fan and probably didn't want the team to give him a new contract. But bashing a guy who's been injured and saying he's stealing money? I don't get it. He was dominating teams in the games leading up to his hammy injury. Ask Tom Brady. Hamstring injuries are brutal because you can't keep your fitness level up while you're healing. Look at Andre Johnson in Houston. Is he stealing money?

[RuthlessBurgher]

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What makes you think Woodley will be back in his familiar position. The guy has taken:
-the first 1/4 of the season off
-the 3/4 of the season off
-and this last 4/4 of the season off

Because he always steps up his game in the playoffs?

First four playoff games he played in...2 sacks in each of those games.
Last three playoff games he played in...1 sack in each of those games.

That's 11 sacks in 7 career playoff games...he's never had a playoff games without a sack.

[TallyStiller]

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Hadn't thought about the amount of OLB Timmons has been asked to play this year... definitely not playing it effectively. He just gets engulfed by the offensive tackles he's rushing against.

Kinda reminds me, though, of Carnell Lake's "take one for the team" season in '95, when Rod Woodson went out and we turned an All - Pro caliber safety into an average corner. It obviously worked, though, because that team made the Super Bowl, and the defeat there certainly wasn't on the defense (ahem... Neil O'Donnell... ahem)

One thing's fairly certain, though... like it or not, Timmons/Woodley is the core of our D for the next several years.

[pittpete]

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Stop making excuses, the guy has 1 sack this year and it came while he was unblocked.
He doesnt shed blocks very well and isnt half as physical as Farrior is even at his age.
He's been a dissappointment this year so lets hope he shines during the playoffs.
If he makes plays in the post season he will have earned a pass from me this year.

[fezziwig]

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Seems like I'm always with the negatives but, it doesn't mean I don't feel positive about other stuff that goes well. To me life is like, work on the stuff that needs fixed.

I'm not happy with Timmons, the guy looks so out of place when he is on the field. Seems like he's late with a tackle, someone ran around him, away from him and he gets neutralized pretty easily.

Unless they are using him as a take the brunt of the offenses so that the rest of the defense can do their job but, I just don't see it. That's the linemens job anyway.

I see nothing that tells me that, we are getting the bang for our buc or draft selection with Timmons.

[Shoe]

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I get it that you're not a Woodley fan and probably didn't want the team to give him a new contract. But bashing a guy who's been injured and saying he's stealing money? I don't get it. He was dominating teams in the games leading up to his hammy injury. Ask Tom Brady. Hamstring injuries are brutal because you can't keep your fitness level up while you're healing. Look at Andre Johnson in Houston. Is he stealing money?

Actually, I did become a Woodley fan. And I hope I still can be one. I take issue with specific factors of his history with the team, and coupled with his current (and most certainly, legitimate) injury... not to mention his HUGE salary... and I'm frustrated.

Starting off seemingly every season slowly... to me... indicates that he doesn't come to the season properly prepared. Now of course, that means that maybe he's on to something (given that in the playoffs, he steps up. Maybe he knows his body that well.) Fine. But then... you shouldn't get a contract that pays you for 16+ games then. I bet Harrison could take off the first month of the year, older guys like Farrior, Aaron Smith probably would love to show up in October and get the opportunity to play in January. But if you area $60m man, you gotta give even more.

As I said, I don't really doubt his hamstring is a legit injury. I'm not questioning his toughness... I'm questioning his preparation, especially given his contract.

[Oviedo]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Lots of opinions and hate for Timmons, but the guys who know and matter just signed him up for another 5 years. I think that says more about his performance than internet opinions.

[Sugar]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Lots of opinions and hate for Timmons, but the guys who know and matter just signed him up for another 5 years. I think that says more about his performance than internet opinions.

WORD!!

[fezziwig]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

the same guy or guys that believe Arians is good enough or possibly the same guy that is in charge of clock management

[pittpete]

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Yes, because front offices never make mistakes by over paying players

Timmons was paid because of past performance...
A big $$$ contract doesn't guarantee big $$$ performance.
Lets hope Timmons steps it up going forward

mikeflores16: Who has been the biggest surprise and the biggest disappointment this year on the team?

Gerry Dulac: There have been a couple big surprises, starting with Keenan Lewis and the continued development of Antonio Brown. Also, rookie Marcus Gilbert. Disappointments? That's easy -- Lawrence Timmons and/or Chris Kemoeatu.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Stop making excuses, the guy has 1 sack this year and it came while he was unblocked.
.

i dont remember him beating a guy for a sack ever in his career here

he gets blocked way too easily

[papillon]

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Okay, so many opinions about the demise of Lawrence Timmons. So, it begs the question: What happened to the guy that averaged about 7-8 tackles per game last year? Why the drop off? out of position? does he have a weakness that offensive linemen are exploiting and he doesn't know it? injury no one knows about? defensive line not as stout as last year? other?

Last year he looked every bit the pro-bowler playing inside and this year he appears to be a shell of himself. Why?

Pappy

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Okay, so many opinions about the demise of Lawrence Timmons. So, it begs the question: What happened to the guy that averaged about 7-8 tackles per game last year? Why the drop off? out of position? does he have a weakness that offensive linemen are exploiting and he doesn't know it? injury no one knows about? defensive line not as stout as last year? other?

Last year he looked every bit the pro-bowler playing inside and this year he appears to be a shell of himself. Why?

Pappy

I think it is just the bouncing back and forth from inside to outside (and even bouncing back and forth between outside positions, starting on the weak side for an injured Harrison, then starting on the strong side for an injured Woodley). And even when he has been back inside in his usual spot, the cast of characters around him keeps changing, so it's tough to get any continuity among the LB corps (for example, one week he could be between Harrison and Farrior...then between Harrison and Foote...then between Foote and Worilds...then he's between Farrior and Worilds...and so on). When he knows that Harrison, Farrior, and Woodley are going to be where they are supposed to be, he is able to loosen up and go out and make plays. When there is a new guy in the mix every week, perhaps he is playing a little more vanilla, playing it safer so that we don't give up the big play (reacting to what the offense is doing) as opposed to an all out attack (dictating to the offense).

[frankthetank1]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Yes, because front offices never make mistakes by over paying players

Timmons was paid because of past performance...
A big $$$ contract doesn't guarantee big $$$ performance.
Lets hope Timmons steps it up going forward

mikeflores16: Who has been the biggest surprise and the biggest disappointment this year on the team?

Gerry Dulac: There have been a couple big surprises, starting with Keenan Lewis and the continued development of Antonio Brown. Also, rookie Marcus Gilbert. Disappointments? That's easy -- Lawrence Timmons and/or Chris Kemoeatu.

front offices overpay for players all the time, but when does the steelers FO really overpay for any player? other than duece staley i cant think of any players the steelers have paid too much for in the past