Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

[papillon]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Okay, so many opinions about the demise of Lawrence Timmons. So, it begs the question: What happened to the guy that averaged about 7-8 tackles per game last year? Why the drop off? out of position? does he have a weakness that offensive linemen are exploiting and he doesn't know it? injury no one knows about? defensive line not as stout as last year? other?

Last year he looked every bit the pro-bowler playing inside and this year he appears to be a shell of himself. Why?

Pappy

I think it is just the bouncing back and forth from inside to outside (and even bouncing back and forth between outside positions, starting on the weak side for an injured Harrison, then starting on the strong side for an injured Woodley). And even when he has been back inside in his usual spot, the cast of characters around him keeps changing, so it's tough to get any continuity among the LB corps (for example, one week he could be between Harrison and Farrior...then between Harrison and Foote...then between Foote and Worilds...then he's between Farrior and Worilds...and so on). When he knows that Harrison, Farrior, and Woodley are going to be where they are supposed to be, he is able to loosen up and go out and make plays. When there is a new guy in the mix every week, perhaps he is playing a little more vanilla, playing it safer so that we don't give up the big play (reacting to what the offense is doing) as opposed to an all out attack (dictating to the offense).

Some might say that based on those conditions he's had a pretty good year. It's not like he's giving up huge plays every week. I know a TEs got him for some big gains (San Fran), but for the most part he's held down 3 of the 4 LB positions this year and never with the same group of players.

It would be nice for Woodley to be healthy, I mean really healthy for the playoffs and let Timmons back in his normal position with the cast of characters on each side of him to see what happens. I just don't have the faith that Woodley is going to be healthy this year again.

Pappy

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Yes, because front offices never make mistakes by over paying players

Timmons was paid because of past performance...
A big $$$ contract doesn't guarantee big $$$ performance.
Lets hope Timmons steps it up going forward

mikeflores16: Who has been the biggest surprise and the biggest disappointment this year on the team?

Gerry Dulac: There have been a couple big surprises, starting with Keenan Lewis and the continued development of Antonio Brown. Also, rookie Marcus Gilbert. Disappointments? That's easy -- Lawrence Timmons and/or Chris Kemoeatu.

front offices overpay for players all the time, but when does the steelers FO really overpay for any player? other than duece staley i cant think of any players the steelers have paid too much for in the past

[papillon]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Yes, because front offices never make mistakes by over paying players

Timmons was paid because of past performance...
A big $$$ contract doesn't guarantee big $$$ performance.
Lets hope Timmons steps it up going forward

mikeflores16: Who has been the biggest surprise and the biggest disappointment this year on the team?

Gerry Dulac: There have been a couple big surprises, starting with Keenan Lewis and the continued development of Antonio Brown. Also, rookie Marcus Gilbert. Disappointments? That's easy -- Lawrence Timmons and/or Chris Kemoeatu.

front offices overpay for players all the time, but when does the steelers FO really overpay for any player? other than duece staley i cant think of any players the steelers have paid too much for in the past

Ouch...forgot about Mahan.

Pappy

[papillon]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Yes, because front offices never make mistakes by over paying players

Timmons was paid because of past performance...
A big $$$ contract doesn't guarantee big $$$ performance.
Lets hope Timmons steps it up going forward

mikeflores16: Who has been the biggest surprise and the biggest disappointment this year on the team?

Gerry Dulac: There have been a couple big surprises, starting with Keenan Lewis and the continued development of Antonio Brown. Also, rookie Marcus Gilbert. Disappointments? That's easy -- Lawrence Timmons and/or Chris Kemoeatu.

front offices overpay for players all the time, but when does the steelers FO really overpay for any player? other than duece staley i cant think of any players the steelers have paid too much for in the past

And, it's still too early to determine if they overpaid for Timmons; based on last year, the contract was a solid deal for both. It will be interesting to see how he plays moving forward and hopefully, at his position (ILB) and with a consistent set of players in front of him and beside him, rather than the rotating LB carousel that occurred this year.

Pappy

[Keyplay1]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

I heard he won a trip to the Bahamas or somewhere on the Price is Right last summer. Hasn't he got back yet?

Someone said What's all the fuss about " If the ball carrier finds him, he makes the tackle almost all the time"

Okay not too funny attempt at a little humor here. But actually the Question should have been Why all these posts now. Nothing has really changed since day 1.

4 or 5 years ago a poster named Steeler-fo-Life or something like that called the shot on the two LB's drafted in 2007. He projected a great career for Lamar Woodley but did not think Timmons should have been drafted ahead of him. A few years later he was certain LT was not going to be much as a ILB for various reasons.

He was pretty much on target but did not allow for a master DC finding numerous ways to make LT an asset. But now that his coverage skills seem to be slipping he is getting noticed by fans. Hey! He's a competent player just not the HOFer a lot of people seem to think he would be.

Hey! I just heard the cruise ship docked in Miami Wednesday. He should be able to get here for the Cleveland game Sunday? LOL

BTW: Whatever happened to that Steeler-fo-Life guy. I do remember him getting mad at times when his opinions were challenged and threatening to leave but that was not an uncommon thing for him. Oh well! I guess he moved on. This site always had a lot of good and informative posters. I thought he was one of them.

[fezziwig]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Someone mentioned or eluded to , Timmons is not having a productive time of it because Harrison and Woodley are not playing or playing injured.

My question is, why does Timmons get to chew on the fat because Harrison and Woodley are doing good ? Those two don't need anyone other than the defensive line to help them at their job.

Woodley and Harrison take care of business because they can.

As of why everyone is on Timmons at this point or this season is wrong. I never thought he was any good.

To me it's Tomlin trying to make something out of his first number one draft choice and the guy was just not number one worthy. At best he is average.

[steelsnis]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

As of why everyone is on Timmons at this point or this season is wrong. I never thought he was any good.

To me it's Tomlin trying to make something out of his first number one draft choice and the guy was just not number one worthy. At best he is average.

He was never any good? That's revisionist history at its finest. Did you miss his 135 tackles last season?

[steelsnis]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

And, BTW, I don't want it to come across like i'm a strict apologist for Timmons. I absolutely agree that he hasn't been great this season and needs to be better moving forward.

I just see that there are reasons for the drop in production and can't stand when people use something like this as an excuse to say "See, the guy stinks and always has...Tomlin's an idiot for choosing him, etc etc"

[Slapstick]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Someone mentioned or eluded to , Timmons is not having a productive time of it because Harrison and Woodley are not playing or playing injured.

My question is, why does Timmons get to chew on the fat because Harrison and Woodley are doing good ?

Let's put LaMarr Woodley in Timmons' ILB spot and see how many splash plays he comes up with...

I think you could put Harrison in any of the 4 LB spots and he'd do fairly well, though probably not up to the standards he set for himself at OLB...

It's all conjecture at this point, but the only thing that we know for certain is that Timmons played a third of the season out of position...

The last thing I will say is this:

Continuity counts for a lot...just as it does on the offensive line, so it also counts on defense...especially in a LB centric defensive scheme like LeBeau's...

[fezziwig]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

The Steelers have always been known for great linebackers and Timmons was advertised as being one of these future greats. I just don't see him as that and to me, he's just average.

[pittpete]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

And, it's still too early to determine if they overpaid for Timmons; based on last year, the contract was a solid deal for both.

I totally agree that this a fair and accurate statement.

It will be interesting to see how he plays moving forward and hopefully, at his position (ILB) and with a consistent set of players in front of him and beside him, rather than the rotating LB carousel that occurred this year.

Now based on this statement,maybe he isn't the player we/and/or the front office thought he was when he was signed to the lucrative contract.
Timmons needs other players around him so he can be productive seems like an excuse.
Worilds has been productive at OLB as a 2nd year player and Timmons did zilcho as an OLB after 4+ years in the same defense.
Again, time will tell

[frankthetank1]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Yes, because front offices never make mistakes by over paying players

Timmons was paid because of past performance...
A big $$$ contract doesn't guarantee big $$$ performance.
Lets hope Timmons steps it up going forward

mikeflores16: Who has been the biggest surprise and the biggest disappointment this year on the team?

Gerry Dulac: There have been a couple big surprises, starting with Keenan Lewis and the continued development of Antonio Brown. Also, rookie Marcus Gilbert. Disappointments? That's easy -- Lawrence Timmons and/or Chris Kemoeatu.

front offices overpay for players all the time, but when does the steelers FO really overpay for any player? other than duece staley i cant think of any players the steelers have paid too much for in the past

Ouch...forgot about Mahan.

Pappy

i also had forgotten about mahan. i agree ouch! Mahan was a very forgetable player. well every team overpays for players the steelers just do it less than most teams. like it was earlier said it is too early to tell if the steelers overpaid for timmons. there may be some room for improvement in his game but overall he is pretty solid

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

Ouch...forgot about Mahan.

Pappy

How much did it cost you in therapy session to forget about Mahan?

Oh well...sorry, man...back to the couch for you.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

I heard he won a trip to the Bahamas or somewhere on the Price is Right last summer. Hasn't he got back yet?

Someone said What's all the fuss about " If the ball carrier finds him, he makes the tackle almost all the time"

Okay not too funny attempt at a little humor here. But actually the Question should have been Why all these posts now. Nothing has really changed since day 1.

4 or 5 years ago a poster named Steeler-fo-Life or something like that called the shot on the two LB's drafted in 2007. He projected a great career for Lamar Woodley but did not think Timmons should have been drafted ahead of him. A few years later he was certain LT was not going to be much as a ILB for various reasons.

He was pretty much on target but did not allow for a master DC finding numerous ways to make LT an asset. But now that his coverage skills seem to be slipping he is getting noticed by fans. Hey! He's a competent player just not the HOFer a lot of people seem to think he would be.

Hey! I just heard the cruise ship docked in Miami Wednesday. He should be able to get here for the Cleveland game Sunday? LOL

BTW: Whatever happened to that Steeler-fo-Life guy. I do remember him getting mad at times when his opinions were challenged and threatening to leave but that was not an uncommon thing for him. Oh well! I guess he moved on. This site always had a lot of good and informative posters. I thought he was one of them.

Dee Dub said all that?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Anybody else wondering where Lawrence Timmons has been?

As of why everyone is on Timmons at this point or this season is wrong. I never thought he was any good.

To me it's Tomlin trying to make something out of his first number one draft choice and the guy was just not number one worthy. At best he is average.

He was never any good? That's revisionist history at its finest. Did you miss his 135 tackles last season?

Not to mention the 3 sacks, 9 passes defensed, 2 interceptions, and 2 forced fumbles last year.