Cam Newton coming back to earth!

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Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

And Brady won three Super Bowls throwing to the likes of David Givens, David Patten and Deion Branch. I made this point the other day and you basically ignored it. For all of his good years, Bradshaw had two HpF receivers to throw to.

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Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

[quote=Dee Dub][quote=feltdizz]

And him running the football doesnt impress me. He's a QB. If he is a better runner than a thrower what do you really have?

That would depend on how good of a thrower he is.

In this case you have a guy who's team is ranked 5th in yards per game and is ranked 8th in red zone productivity.

and he has thrown more picks than TD's and his team is 4-9. Watch. Year two. I will stick to my guns. This kid will have a hard time adjusting. NFL teams have adjusted to him and he has been a below average passer since. Again, what lies between his ears, I think is his biggest weakness.

Jeff George could throw a football with the best of them. But that didnt mean a whole lot.

..and if he progresses and keeps improving then what? What do we get? [/quote:2wjqzsfy]

Well he's not actually. He has steadily gotten worse the past 5 weeks.[/quote:2wjqzsfy]

Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

Newton has one veteran WR in Steve Smith. Beyond that, its a bunch of nobodies like Legadu Naanee, Armanti Edwards, Brandon LaFell, and Seyi Ajirotutu.

Who's in his backfield? And I guess you forgot to mention his two pro bowl TE's?

Yeah his offense can be compared to Bradshaw's offense in 1970.

Steve Smith
DeAngelo Williams
Jonathan Stewart
Greg Olsen
Jeremy Schockey

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[quote=Dee Dub][quote=RuthlessBurgher]

Do you guys know what this is??

16 games 53.6% 3020 yards 21 TD’s 17 INT’s 75.2 QBR 476 yards rushing 11 TD’s

Not too far off from Can Newton.

Yep...Kordell Stewart's line his first year as a starter.

How'd that change when teams made him throw the ball?

What about the stat line for this first year player?

83 completions, 218 attempts, 38.1 completion percentage, 1410 passing yards, 6.5 average yards per pass, 6 TD passes, 24 interceptions, 30.4 passer rating, 32 rushes, 233 yards, 7.3 average yards per rush, and 1 rushing TD.

That's the guy who you say is unquestionably better than Tom Brady.

Yeah..throwing the ball for the Pittsburgh Steelers under Chuck Noll in 1970 is comparable.

And for what it's worth Terry only started 8 games that year.

You are right...Bradshaw's 24 interceptions in 8 games is more impressive than Newton's 16 interceptions in 13 games. You got me good there. [/quote:3fonl04i]

Who was he throwing too in 1970?

Thank you. [/quote:3fonl04i]

Here are Terry Hanratty's numbers that same season:

64 Completions
163 Attempts
39.3 Completion %
5.2 Y/A
5 TDs
8 INTs
46.1 Passer rating
4 Rushing attempts
-5 Yards rushing
0 Rushing TDs

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

[Dee Dub]

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Here are Terry Hanratty's numbers that same season:

64 Completions
163 Attempts
39.3 Completion %
5.2 Y/A
5 TDs
8 INTs
46.1 Passer rating
4 Rushing attempts
-5 Yards rushing
0 Rushing TDs

Thank you. That proves my point. They were both horrible. If you dont have weapons on on offense you cant expect much from any QB.

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Cam is going to be ROY. Panthers wouldn't trade him for any QB in the league not name Aaron Rogers. If Cam re entered himself in this upcoming draft with all these QB's he'd still be the first player taken.

I'm still trying to figure what "tweedle-dee-dumb's" point is.............

If Cam re-entered himself in this upcoming draft, Luck would be the first player taken.

If Luck came out last year, Luck would have been the first player taken.

But Cam still would have been a top 5 guy in either draft. Newton's living up to hype so far (even though he is mired on a bad team; I'd take him over guys like Sanchez and Flacco), but from all I've seen, Luck is the best QB prospect to come out in several years.

I understand the hype machine, but what exactly has Luck accomplished for anyone to think he's going to any better than Andy Dalton.... Knowing what I have seen, I would take Andy Dalton over Luck, let alone Cam Newton.

Let's see, Luck couldn't pull off the heisman nor a national championship after two stellar years. Couldn't even beat his pack 10 rivals USC and Oregon. Kind of makes you want to say hmmmm.....

May wanna get your facts straight first. Luck beat USC this year.

And for the record, Andrew Luck doesnt have top end WR's to throw too. Their offense is a power running game (3 TE set), run first offense. If he had USC's Marquise Lee and Robert Woods he would have shattered every NCAA passing record. Think about it.

Luck doesn't have top end WR's or are they protecting his arm from those down field throws.

I have no idea if Luck is legit but we heard about these Luck types before. All the throws, intangibles, size, arm etc...

We have seen what Dalton, Ponder, Yates and Cam can do in the pro's. Luck got cold feet last year and went back to Stanford. I've seen him make decent 10 yard passes over the middle and a few 15 yarder's but I haven't seen Luck avoid the rush and throw a 30 yard dart down field. I haven't seen him throw a crisp 20 yard out either.

Not saying he can't but I won't be surprised if he comes in and struggles with the speed of the NFL. Stanford's schedule was a cake walk this year and against tougher competition I haven't seen anything to get too excited about.

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Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

So over his last five games he is getting worse provided you throw out his best game and keep his worst. OK, got it.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

And Brady won three Super Bowls throwing to the likes of David Givens, David Patten and Deion Branch. I made this point the other day and you basically ignored it. For all of his good years, Bradshaw had two HpF receivers to throw to.

Uhhhhhh...this thread is about Cam Newton in his rookie year. Not Terry Bradshaw in his glory years.

Cam Newton as of right now...isnt a very good passing QB. His numbers reflect this.

Nuff said.

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Here are Terry Hanratty's numbers that same season:

64 Completions
163 Attempts
39.3 Completion %
5.2 Y/A
5 TDs
8 INTs
46.1 Passer rating
4 Rushing attempts
-5 Yards rushing
0 Rushing TDs

Thank you. That proves my point. They were both horrible. If you dont have weapons on on offense you cant expect much from any QB.

If this proves anything, it proves that we are in no position to predict how Cam Newton's career will play out. In his second year, career back-up grade Hanratty significantly out-performed Bradshaw on the same team. Bradshaw went on to become one of the best QBs of all time (the best, according to some).

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Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

why not keep the Colts game since he played in it...

Nothing wrong with a 58% completion rate on a team that was 2-14 and has one legit WR.

Again, not sure what you and other Cam detractors expected from him in year one but I think he surpassed expectations across the board. If he was throwing 15 times a game then I would be concerned with his production but he has to win shootouts because the D is sub par.

I seriously doubt they will ask Cam to throw the ball 50 times a game moving forward. Now it's all about putting him in a position to manage games once they have leads.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Cam Newton coming back to earth!

Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

So over his last five games he is getting worse provided you throw out his best game and keep his worst. OK, got it.

The Colts may go down as one of the worst teams of all time. But if you think that game is important in regards to evaluating Cam Newton then you and I will probably never be on the same page.

By the way, that game versus the Colts, wasnt all that for him. He threw for 208 yards and had no TD's passes.

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[quote=Dee Dub]

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

And Brady won three Super Bowls throwing to the likes of David Givens, David Patten and Deion Branch. I made this point the other day and you basically ignored it. For all of his good years, Bradshaw had two HpF receivers to throw to.

Uhhhhhh...this thread is about Cam Newton in his rookie year. Not Terry Bradshaw in his glory years.

Cam Newton as of right now...isnt a very good passing QB. His numbers reflect this.

Nuff said.[/quote:vf9hpce8]

Just pointing out that you seem to be using different logic between the two. If the quality of receivers matter for one QB they should matter for all Qbs. Otherwise, you are just talking out both sides of your mouth.

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[quote=Dee Dub]

By the way, Terry Bradshaw wasnt throwing to Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Franco Harris, or Rocky Bleier in 1970.

He was throwing to Ron Shanklin, Frency Fuqua, Dave L. Smith, and Dennis Hughes.

And Brady won three Super Bowls throwing to the likes of David Givens, David Patten and Deion Branch. I made this point the other day and you basically ignored it. For all of his good years, Bradshaw had two HpF receivers to throw to.

Uhhhhhh...this thread is about Cam Newton in his rookie year. Not Terry Bradshaw in his glory years.

Cam Newton as of right now...isnt a very good passing QB. His numbers reflect this.

Nuff said.[/quote:1n30e1u3]

coming from a guy who bashed Pouncey for having a tummy ache I think your conclusion lacks credibility.

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Talking about year 2.. Cam hasn't gotten worse the last 5 weeks. It's football and QB's have good and bad games, quarters, matchups etc.

4 TD's and 7 Picks the past 5 weeks. And look at his completion percentage.

Take away the game versus the horrible Colts and you are left with...57.5, 57.9, 57.1, and 48.7. That is getting worse.

So over his last five games he is getting worse provided you throw out his best game and keep his worst. OK, got it.

The Colts may go down as one of the worst teams of all time. But if you think that game is important in regards to evaluating Cam Newton then you and I will probably never be on the same page.

By the way, that game versus the Colts, wasnt all that for him. He threw for 208 yards and had no TD's passes.[/quote:27dwt5z4]

Yeah but unless you are going to go through the stats of every QB and throw out his stats against the bad teams, all you are doing is exercising bias against Newton. Every QB in the history of the league has padded his stats against bad teams.