Should we keep Willie Colon or let him go?

[Chadman]

Re: Should we keep Willie Colon or let him go?

Willie Colon is one of the few Steelers OL players over the last few years that Chadman doesn't see driven back at the point of attack by stronger players. He holds his base well- better than most. He's very strong. If he locks on to the defender- the defender is nullified.

His sideways agility however appears to be subpar.

When Ben goes a-scramblin', Colon has trouble with rushers getting around him.

But in the run game, he's a superior run grader.

In Chadman's opinion- he's one of the better Steelers OL players. He's a passable OT, but with Starks proving to be a valuable LT, and with Gilbert looking good at RT, Colon's future should be on the inside at RG between Pouncey & Gilbert.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Gee its funny how all the other tackles in the league can hear the cadence except for Willie. Max Starks and Gilbert arent having a problem hearing. Oh thats right they can hear because they are tall. A D2 stadium is not freaking Heinz Field, nor is it even close. So you have no more idea than I do what the noise level may or may not be like on an NFL field. You are totally reaching here, and frankly making yourself look silly. If what you say is true lets all take up a collection to get Colon a hearing aid for next season, because the guy needs all the help he can get.

They all have trouble...All of them. There is a reason the D calls for the crowd noise....That is one. Coaches talk about it all the time. Not hearing the cadence & line calls...Audibles. Did you just make yourself just look like an idiot. I never said a D2 school was Heinz field. I said the is a huge jump from high school to college. And D2 is no comparison to D1. It is loud and I can only imagine what NFL is. Not only do you not know football but you can't comprehend. I do know the jump from high school to college and judging by your football knowledge and being a coach you probably can't even begin to image since only the parents are in the stands behind you.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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By the way I have been to several D2 stadiums. NONE of them even slightly compared to a D1 stadium let alone an NFL stadium. As a matter of fact alot of them pretty much are High School stadiums. Im sorry that you had so much trouble hearing during your playing days though. I never had that problem.

I never had any problem in high school which is all you have to go by. Go sit in happy valley when the D is on the field and tell me what you buddy says at the end of the row. At Heinz field, teams struggle in shotgun...It is clear. When a team is forced to go on movement Woodley & Harrison thrive.

[7 UP]

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If all players struggle with crowd noise, then why does Colon struggle even more than everyone else?? Your argument dosent even make logical sense. Starks dosent take those penalties. Neither does Gilbert. Flozell didnt either and that was the big knock on him coming in from Dallas.

When a tackle is consistently getting holding and false start penalties, its because he is getting beat its that simple. You false start because you are trying to beat your man of the ball. You hold because you cant hold your block otherwise. You can make up all the ridiculous excuses you want to, its really black and white.

Let me ask you this coach. How many times have we seen formation penalties because big Willie is lined up darn near in the backfield? Now why would a tackle have to line up so far off the line of scrimmage? Its because hes getting beat off the ball and needs the extra space to be able get in position to pass block.

We can talk about penalties all you want. Take the penalties away and Colon is still a below average NFL tackle. His slide is more like a backpedal. His run blocking is passable. Its his pass blocking Im taking him to task with.

[7 UP]

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By the way I have been to several D2 stadiums. NONE of them even slightly compared to a D1 stadium let alone an NFL stadium. As a matter of fact alot of them pretty much are High School stadiums. Im sorry that you had so much trouble hearing during your playing days though. I never had that problem.

I never had any problem in high school which is all you have to go by. Go sit in happy valley when the D is on the field and tell me what you buddy says at the end of the row. At Heinz field, teams struggle in shotgun...It is clear. When a team is forced to go on movement Woodley & Harrison thrive.[/quote:3kiiurhe]


Dude get over yourself. The tackle who played opposite me in highschool went on to play for Clarion. I went to a lot of his games, I dont recall seeing him false start even once. To be honest I personally thought are HighSchool crowd was louder. If you actually played college ball, your D2 career dosent give you some "secret inside infromation" into what NFL lineman hear. Nor does it make your point more valid than mine because I only played in High School. Nor does it make your point more valid than anyone else who follows football.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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If all players struggle with crowd noise, then why does Colon struggle even more than everyone else?? Your argument dosent even make logical sense. Starks dosent take those penalties. Neither does Gilbert. Flozell didnt either and that was the big knock on him coming in from Dallas.

When a tackle is consistently getting holding and false start penalties, its because he is getting beat its that simple. You false start because you are trying to beat your man of the ball. You hold because you cant hold your block otherwise. You can make up all the ridiculous excuses you want to, its really black and white.

Let me ask you this coach. How many times have we seen formation penalties because big Willie is lined up darn near in the backfield? Now why would a tackle have to line up so far off the line of scrimmage? Its because hes getting beat off the ball and needs the extra space to be able get in position to pass block.

We can talk about penalties all you want. Take the penalties away and Colon is still a below average NFL tackle. His slide is more like a backpedal. His run blocking is passable. Its his pass blocking Im taking him to task with.

You are acting like Colon is the only one getting those penalties. I have watched him his whole career. I have watched all of them you refer to. The all get those penalties. Colon is no different than anyone else. Lining up deep is domething they all push. If you have been around football like you say you are you know there isn't a bible. Coaches teach the deep set. They push it to the limit. The ref walks in the huddle and tells you you are deep move up or he will call it. Your opinion of Colon is your opinion just like mine. He is one of the better OT in the game. His big contract from the Steelers seems to back up my argument. So where is your great evaluation fueled from? That's right...your opinion. Nothing you could present could back-up what you want to believe is true...And Colon's play on the field speaks for itself. HE is above average in run & pass pro. If you can't see that...Then you are off.

[7 UP]

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He is one of the better OT in the game. [/quote]



LMFAO at the quoted above statement. He has never sniffed the Pro Bowl even as an alternate. So no one but you thinks hes one of the better OTs in the game.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Dude get over yourself. The tackle who played opposite me in highschool went on to play for Clarion. I went to a lot of his games, I dont recall seeing him false start even once. To be honest I personally thought are HighSchool crowd was louder. If you actually played college ball, your D2 career dosent give you some "secret inside infromation" into what NFL lineman hear. Nor does it make your point more valid than mine because I only played in High School. Nor does it make your point more valid than anyone else who follows football.

Knowing the guy next to who went to Clarion and sitting in the stands at the game doesn't give you any insight or make your argument any more valid than mine. Everything out of your mouth is no better than mine. If you think crowd noise doesn't play a factor in college & NFL ball...You are mistaken. You don't have to swallow it as my opinion. It is discussed over & over week in and week out. Just because my experience makes me believe it doesn't mean I'm wrong because you think otherwise. Have you ever went to a D1 game or a pro game for a home team? You can honestly day that crowd noise when the home teams defense was on the field had no impact on the OL? If your answer is no...Enough said. Flozell was one of the most penalized OL in the game for years. Yet remained one of the top OT and saw many probowls. So how does that weigh? In '09 Starks was the most penalized Steeler with 7 (3 FS & 4 H). Colon was 2nd with 6 (4 FS & 2 H). 2010 Starks 2 in 6 games & Flozell had 9. So how is Starks & Flozell not doing it but Colon is?

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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LMFAO at the quoted above statement. He has never sniffed the Pro Bowl even as an alternate. So no one but you thinks hes one of the better OTs in the game.

No...The Steelers do..His contract proves it. He is regarded as one of the better RT in the league. Don't know where you have been. You don't like him...So be it. Just because you don't like him and don't know what you are looking at...The truth won't change.

[7 UP]

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No...The Steelers do..His contract proves it.
This proves nothing. The Steelers have done a very poor job over the past 10 years of attempting to put an OL together. They have made bad decisions on guys and it has cost them. Colons contract was another example of a poor decision. Remember when they franchised Starks and then benched him???

He is regarded as one of the better RT in the league.
Cmon dude!!! By who???? He was a free agent, nobody wanted him. If not for the Steelers he would be out of the league right now.

Don't know where you have been. You don't like him...So be it. Just because you don't like him and don't know what you are looking at...The truth won't change.
LMFAO again. If you think Willie freaking Colon is one of the best Tackles in the league then you are the one who has no idea what you are looking at. I understand you like him, but at best the guy is average. One of the better in the league. WOW

[RuthlessBurgher]

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He is regarded as one of the better RT in the league.
Cmon dude!!! By who???? He was a free agent, nobody wanted him. If not for the Steelers he would be out of the league right now.

[url]http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11209/1163623-100.stm[/url]

Colon turns down extra $3 million from Bears to stay with Steelers
Thursday, July 28, 2011
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Before he could jump in the shower and head to Latrobe, offensive tackle Willie Colon was jumping for joy after agreeing to a five-year contract with the Steelers for $29 million this evening.

"I'm happy ... I could not see leaving," Colon said. "My happiness is in that room and with coach [Sean] Kugler.''

That room would be the one where line coach Sean Kugler gathers together his players for meetings, and they will be rejoined by another key member. Jonathan Scott, who started at left tackle after Max Starks' neck injury last November, also came to terms with the team this evening on a two-year contract.

Colon, who missed last season with an achilles injury after starting the previous three years at right tackle, said he accepted $3 million less over the life of the contract from the Steelers than what the Chicago Bears had offered him to join them.

"I know what I got in that room and on that team," Colon explained. "My happiness means more to me."

It remains to be seen what now will become of 36-year-old tackle Flozell Adams, who reported to training camp on time. He has a $5 million salary and the Steelers would like to reduce that. Adams signed last summer and took over at right tackle for Colon, whose achilles was ruptured in June. Colon likely will be returned to start at right tackle.

At 36, it's doubtful the Steelers would move Adams to left tackle.

First published on July 28, 2011 at 7:03 pm

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[RuthlessBurgher]

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He has never sniffed the Pro Bowl even as an alternate. So no one but you thinks hes one of the better OTs in the game.

Consider that there are 64 starting OT's in the league, and 6 of them make the Pro Bowl each year (3 in each conference). Among OT's, those spots tend to be taken by premium LT's, not RT's (in the AFC, the Pro Bowl tackle nods tend to go to elite LT's taken very early in their draft years like Joe Thomas, Jake Long, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and Ryan Clady).

[Slapstick]

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He is regarded as one of the better RT in the league.
Cmon dude!!! By who???? He was a free agent, nobody wanted him. If not for the Steelers he would be out of the league right now.

Colon turns down extra $3 million from Bears to stay with Steelers
Thursday, July 28, 2011
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

I don't care who you are, that's funny!

[7 UP]

Re: Should we keep Willie Colon or let him go?

He has never sniffed the Pro Bowl even as an alternate. So no one but you thinks hes one of the better OTs in the game.

Consider that there are 64 starting OT's in the league, and 6 of them make the Pro Bowl each year (3 in each conference). Among OT's, those spots tend to be taken by premium LT's, not RT's (in the AFC, the Pro Bowl tackle nods tend to go to elite LT's taken very early in their draft years like Joe Thomas, Jake Long, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and Ryan Clady).

So in other words hes not one of the better tackles in the league.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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He has never sniffed the Pro Bowl even as an alternate. So no one but you thinks hes one of the better OTs in the game.

Consider that there are 64 starting OT's in the league, and 6 of them make the Pro Bowl each year (3 in each conference). Among OT's, those spots tend to be taken by premium LT's, not RT's (in the AFC, the Pro Bowl tackle nods tend to go to elite LT's taken very early in their draft years like Joe Thomas, Jake Long, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, and Ryan Clady).

So in other words hes not one of the better tackles in the league.[/quote:36d0frap]

Less than 10% of the starting tackles in the league make the Pro Bowl. No, he isn't in the top 10% of starting tackles in the league. But I don't think that the category "one of the better tackles in the league" cuts off at 10%, do you?

Matt Forte and LeSean McCoy have never made it to the Pro Bowl. Are they not "one of the better running backs in the league" because of it?