So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

My dude.. your missing the point.

The Steelers have BA and continue to roll with him... like it or not someone in the NFL thinks BA is good enough to run an offense.

The HC argument is the only one you guys have... all the other one's have been debunked.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

The whole "didn't get an HC interview" is bogus...

Pat Shurmur is a HC, for God's sake...

He was so awesome as McNabb's QB coach for ten years and then the Rams' OC?

Really?

Josh McDaniels oversaw a prolific offense and was a HC...how did that work out for him?

How about Tony Sparano?

Owners pick who they want to pick...rarely do dark horse candidates get an HC job...

My dude. You're missing the point entirely. Nobody is saying that every OC that gets a head coaching job is gonna be successful. Some will, some won't. History has shown this to be true.

However, the point is that they were good enough as OCs to get the attention of teams looking for a new coach. Whether or not they're successful once they're in the job, is a moot point. BA apparently has not impressed enough people in his current position as OC of the Pittsburgh Steelers, to warrant any other team interviewing him, let alone giving him a HC job.

Hell, even the QB coach Finchner got a HC job(granted it is college) while BA never even got a sniff. It has to say something about the guy that nobody sees him as being good enough to lead their football program, college or pro.

I wonder how many of you apologists would actually hire the guy if you were looking for someone to run the offense for your football club.


Rockon

Keep in mind that Bruce Arians is 59 years old. He talked about possible retirement last year before Ben talked him out of it. Teams don't hire head coaches that are pushing 60 (unless they have multiple Super Bowl victories as a head coach like the 59 year old Mike Shanahan).

Teams are looking for coaches in the 30's or 40's. Josh McDaniels is 35. Pat Shurmur is 46. Tony Sparano is 50, but was hired to be H.C. of the Dolphins in 2008 when he was 47.

A 48 year old Randy Fichtner is more appealing than a 59 year old Bruce Arians, because he doesn't have a subscription to AARP Magazine just yet.

[Slapstick]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Hell, even the QB coach Finchner got a HC job(granted it is college) while BA never even got a sniff. It has to say something about the guy that nobody sees him as being good enough to lead their football program, college or pro.

Rockon

My dude, Arians was the HC at Temple back when they were still in the Big East...

Also, I posted this on 11/22:

You're right...

It probably has nothing to do with the fact that Arians is older than all but a handful of NFL head coaches...especially those hired within the last few years...

Chan Gailey is a few months older as is Bill Belichick (but Belichick was hired 11 seasons ago)...

Tom Coughlin, Norv Turner and Mike Shanahan are older...but, all are long time head coaches in the league...

Pete Carroll is a little older as well...

That's your reason more than anything else...

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Hell, even the QB coach Finchner got a HC job(granted it is college) while BA never even got a sniff. It has to say something about the guy that nobody sees him as being good enough to lead their football program, college or pro.

Rockon

My dude, Arians was the HC at Temple back when they were still in the Big East...

Also, I posted this on 11/22:

You're right...

It probably has nothing to do with the fact that Arians is older than all but a handful of NFL head coaches...especially those hired within the last few years...

Chan Gailey is a few months older as is Bill Belichick (but Belichick was hired 11 seasons ago)...

Tom Coughlin, Norv Turner and Mike Shanahan are older...but, all are long time head coaches in the league...

Pete Carroll is a little older as well...

That's your reason more than anything else...

Yeah, if he was any damn good at what he does, age wouldn't be a factor.


Rockon

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

My dude.. your missing the point.

The Steelers have BA and continue to roll with him... like it or not someone in the NFL thinks BA is good enough to run an offense.

Yeah, and he's doing a bang-up job there. Let me help you out with that....."no-bo-dy-but-the- Steelers-want-this-guy-running-their-offense." Hope that helps.

The HC argument is the only one you guys have... all the other one's have been debunked.

Debunked what?

You mean like the post somebody wrote regarding the Steelers scoring 20 pts. or more in 6 of their 8 wins. I posted a nice response to that regarding the amount of tds scored by the offense in those games. Funny how that was conveniently ignored.

There was an allusion to the Steelers being 10th overall in offensive ranking. Well, somebody else pointed out that that number refers to YPG, and not the all-important PPG stat, which the Steelers currently rank 19th. That's bottom half of the league. Not really a good look. Way to "trick up" the numbers, though.

And their are plenty other examples of similar "debunkments". The only thing being debunked here is the Steelers offense under Arians' watch.

So again.....debunked what?

Rockon

[Slapstick]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Hell, even the QB coach Finchner got a HC job(granted it is college) while BA never even got a sniff. It has to say something about the guy that nobody sees him as being good enough to lead their football program, college or pro.

Rockon

My dude, Arians was the HC at Temple back when they were still in the Big East...

Also, I posted this on 11/22:

You're right...

It probably has nothing to do with the fact that Arians is older than all but a handful of NFL head coaches...especially those hired within the last few years...

Chan Gailey is a few months older as is Bill Belichick (but Belichick was hired 11 seasons ago)...

Tom Coughlin, Norv Turner and Mike Shanahan are older...but, all are long time head coaches in the league...

Pete Carroll is a little older as well...

That's your reason more than anything else...

Yeah, if he was any damn good at what he does, age wouldn't be a factor.


Rockon

You don't have to be good as a coordinator to get a HC job:

A current NFL head coach oversaw the #29 offense by yardage (#32 scoring) in 2009 and the #26 offense by yardage (#26 scoring) in 2010...

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

My dude.. your missing the point.

The Steelers have BA and continue to roll with him... like it or not someone in the NFL thinks BA is good enough to run an offense.

Yeah, and he's doing a bang-up job there. Let me help you out with that....."no-bo-dy-but-the- Steelers-want-this-guy-running-their-offense." Hope that helps.

The HC argument is the only one you guys have... all the other one's have been debunked.

Debunked what?

You mean like the post somebody wrote regarding the Steelers scoring 20 pts. or more in 6 of their 8 wins. I posted a nice response to that regarding the amount of tds scored by the offense in those games. Funny how that was conveniently ignored.

There was an allusion to the Steelers being 10th overall in offensive ranking. Well, somebody else pointed out that that number refers to YPG, and not the all-important PPG stat, which the Steelers currently rank 19th. That's bottom half of the league. Not really a good look. Way to "trick up" the numbers, though.

And their are plenty other examples of similar "debunkments". The only thing being debunked here is the Steelers offense under Arians' watch.

So again.....debunked what?

Rockon

when did I point to the ppg as proof BA is good? In 2009 we had stats out the whazoo and everyone pointed to the losses...

Getting to SB's in 2 of the last 3 years and being retained by the Steelers is proof enough he doesn't suck.

No-Bo-Dy but the Steelers want BA well whoopdi freaking doo... deal with it or find a new team and OC to fall in love with.

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

My dude.. your missing the point.

The Steelers have BA and continue to roll with him... like it or not someone in the NFL thinks BA is good enough to run an offense.

Yeah, and he's doing a bang-up job there. Let me help you out with that....."no-bo-dy-but-the- Steelers-want-this-guy-running-their-offense." Hope that helps.

The HC argument is the only one you guys have... all the other one's have been debunked.

Debunked what?

You mean like the post somebody wrote regarding the Steelers scoring 20 pts. or more in 6 of their 8 wins. I posted a nice response to that regarding the amount of tds scored by the offense in those games. Funny how that was conveniently ignored.

There was an allusion to the Steelers being 10th overall in offensive ranking. Well, somebody else pointed out that that number refers to YPG, and not the all-important PPG stat, which the Steelers currently rank 19th. That's bottom half of the league. Not really a good look. Way to "trick up" the numbers, though.

And their are plenty other examples of similar "debunkments". The only thing being debunked here is the Steelers offense under Arians' watch.

So again.....debunked what?

Rockon

when did I point to the ppg as proof BA is good? In 2009 we had stats out the whazoo and everyone pointed to the losses...

Getting to SB's in 2 of the last 3 years and being retained by the Steelers is proof enough he doesn't suck.

No-Bo-Dy but the Steelers want BA well whoopdi freaking doo... deal with it or find a new team and OC to fall in love with.

First, I'll control my rooting interests. In fact the only thing you can control is whether or not you like it. And even once you figure that out, your options are really limited as to doing anything about it. So, you can stop wasting your breath.

Second, I'll say it again. The Steelers got to those SBs in spite of BA. They did not get there on the strength of a prolific offense. Far from it. The Steelers win because they have a top flight defense and a franchise QB. Not because BA is some sort of offensive genius.

Third, I never said you said anything. I asked you a simple question. What has been debunked? The only response you got for me is, go find another team? I chalk that up as a win for me.

Real talk. The only argument you apologists have is, they have been to 2 SBs with him as OC. You dudes are acting as if the Steelers couldn't have gotten to those SB without Arians. You're kidding yourself if you believe that. They wouldn't have gotten there without Ben. But Arians was damn tag-a-long. I seem to recall the Steelers winning a SB this decade where BA was not the OC. And if you wanna talk about his role as the WR coach in that SB run, then you are a bigger apologist than I originally thought.

Rockon

[Slapstick]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

The only argument you apologists have is...

Let's stop right there...

No one is apologizing for Arians because no one has to. Furthermore, nobody owes you an apology.

Why apologize for being OC on a team with 3 SB appearances, 2 SB wins and an 8-3 record this year, all during your tenure?

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

The only argument you apologists have is...

Let's stop right there...

No one is apologizing for Arians because no one has to. Furthermore, nobody owes you an apology.

Why apologize for being OC on a team with 3 SB appearances, 2 SB wins and an 8-3 record this year, all during your tenure?

BA was OC for 2 SB appearances, not 3, and 1 SB win, not two. If you are going to argue using facts, at least get those facts right.

So for the record, I think you owe Rockon an apology.

[Slapstick]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

The only argument you apologists have is...

Let's stop right there...

No one is apologizing for Arians because no one has to. Furthermore, nobody owes you an apology.

Why apologize for being OC on a team with 3 SB appearances, 2 SB wins and an 8-3 record this year, all during your tenure?

BA was OC for 2 SB appearances, not 3, and 1 SB win, not two. If you are going to argue using facts, at least get those facts right.

So for the record, I think you owe Rockon an apology.

Right after you apologize for thread-stalking me.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

The only argument you apologists have is...

Let's stop right there...

No one is apologizing for Arians because no one has to. Furthermore, nobody owes you an apology.

Why apologize for being OC on a team with 3 SB appearances, 2 SB wins and an 8-3 record this year, all during your tenure?

BA was OC for 2 SB appearances, not 3, and 1 SB win, not two. If you are going to argue using facts, at least get those facts right.

So for the record, I think you owe Rockon an apology.

Right after you apologize for thread-stalking me.

Dang, someone's "a little sensitive"...as well as a little egotistical...I've posted on this thread a couple of times already. But if you want to think I just came here to stalk you, go for it.

[sd steel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

We are 8-3, is there really an issue. Blame Arians I get it, but guess what you are just gonna blame a new coordinator for the same stuff next year. It just gets old reading the same posts by the same posters over and over about our horrible OC. The reality of it is if the players executed all the plays properly we would score on every play. There would never be a sack, and every pass would be completed and every run play would be blocked properly and every run would hit pay dirt. So why don't the players get any of the blame for not executing?

Come on Rockon, why aren't you whining about Wallace dropping the TD pass or the long ball that went through his hands? Great plays just not executed. How about crying about Mewelde fumbling a perfectly called RUTFM which was open and would have scored but he put the ball on the turf.

Throw the blame where it lies...with the guys who are supposed to execute. Plays are called by tendency with a program, and Ben approves all play calls and can audible at any time, and loves Arians. Why not blame Ben, he has the final say?

"Nah, we'd just rather bitch like little chicks after every game about how we are smarter than the OC." He would probably still beat you all in Madden too!

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

My dude.. your missing the point.

The Steelers have BA and continue to roll with him... like it or not someone in the NFL thinks BA is good enough to run an offense.

Yeah, and he's doing a bang-up job there. Let me help you out with that....."no-bo-dy-but-the- Steelers-want-this-guy-running-their-offense." Hope that helps.

The HC argument is the only one you guys have... all the other one's have been debunked.

Debunked what?

You mean like the post somebody wrote regarding the Steelers scoring 20 pts. or more in 6 of their 8 wins. I posted a nice response to that regarding the amount of tds scored by the offense in those games. Funny how that was conveniently ignored.

There was an allusion to the Steelers being 10th overall in offensive ranking. Well, somebody else pointed out that that number refers to YPG, and not the all-important PPG stat, which the Steelers currently rank 19th. That's bottom half of the league. Not really a good look. Way to "trick up" the numbers, though.

And their are plenty other examples of similar "debunkments". The only thing being debunked here is the Steelers offense under Arians' watch.

So again.....debunked what?

Rockon

when did I point to the ppg as proof BA is good? In 2009 we had stats out the whazoo and everyone pointed to the losses...

Getting to SB's in 2 of the last 3 years and being retained by the Steelers is proof enough he doesn't suck.

No-Bo-Dy but the Steelers want BA well whoopdi freaking doo... deal with it or find a new team and OC to fall in love with.

First, I'll control my rooting interests. In fact the only thing you can control is whether or not you like it. And even once you figure that out, your options are really limited as to doing anything about it. So, you can stop wasting your breath.

Second, I'll say it again. The Steelers got to those SBs in spite of BA. They did not get there on the strength of a prolific offense. Far from it. The Steelers win because they have a top flight defense and a franchise QB. Not because BA is some sort of offensive genius.

Third, I never said you said anything. I asked you a simple question. What has been debunked? The only response you got for me is, go find another team? I chalk that up as a win for me.

Real talk. The only argument you apologists have is, they have been to 2 SBs with him as OC. You dudes are acting as if the Steelers couldn't have gotten to those SB without Arians. You're kidding yourself if you believe that. They wouldn't have gotten there without Ben. But Arians was damn tag-a-long. I seem to recall the Steelers winning a SB this decade where BA was not the OC. And if you wanna talk about his role as the WR coach in that SB run, then you are a bigger apologist than I originally thought.

Rockon

You're acting as though your definition of BA is reality. Its nothing more than fan frustration. In spite of, tag-a-long or whatever you want to call him doesn't change how long he has been with this team.

You sound bitter.

That first SB victory with Ben wasn't an offensive explosion and we have always relied and benefited from a great D.

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

My dude.. your missing the point.

The Steelers have BA and continue to roll with him... like it or not someone in the NFL thinks BA is good enough to run an offense.

Yeah, and he's doing a bang-up job there. Let me help you out with that....."no-bo-dy-but-the- Steelers-want-this-guy-running-their-offense." Hope that helps.

The HC argument is the only one you guys have... all the other one's have been debunked.

Debunked what?

You mean like the post somebody wrote regarding the Steelers scoring 20 pts. or more in 6 of their 8 wins. I posted a nice response to that regarding the amount of tds scored by the offense in those games. Funny how that was conveniently ignored.

There was an allusion to the Steelers being 10th overall in offensive ranking. Well, somebody else pointed out that that number refers to YPG, and not the all-important PPG stat, which the Steelers currently rank 19th. That's bottom half of the league. Not really a good look. Way to "trick up" the numbers, though.

And their are plenty other examples of similar "debunkments". The only thing being debunked here is the Steelers offense under Arians' watch.

So again.....debunked what?

Rockon

when did I point to the ppg as proof BA is good? In 2009 we had stats out the whazoo and everyone pointed to the losses...

Getting to SB's in 2 of the last 3 years and being retained by the Steelers is proof enough he doesn't suck.

No-Bo-Dy but the Steelers want BA well whoopdi freaking doo... deal with it or find a new team and OC to fall in love with.

First, I'll control my rooting interests. In fact the only thing you can control is whether or not you like it. And even once you figure that out, your options are really limited as to doing anything about it. So, you can stop wasting your breath.

Second, I'll say it again. The Steelers got to those SBs in spite of BA. They did not get there on the strength of a prolific offense. Far from it. The Steelers win because they have a top flight defense and a franchise QB. Not because BA is some sort of offensive genius.

Third, I never said you said anything. I asked you a simple question. What has been debunked? The only response you got for me is, go find another team? I chalk that up as a win for me.

Real talk. The only argument you apologists have is, they have been to 2 SBs with him as OC. You dudes are acting as if the Steelers couldn't have gotten to those SB without Arians. You're kidding yourself if you believe that. They wouldn't have gotten there without Ben. But Arians was damn tag-a-long. I seem to recall the Steelers winning a SB this decade where BA was not the OC. And if you wanna talk about his role as the WR coach in that SB run, then you are a bigger apologist than I originally thought.

Rockon

You're acting as though your definition of BA is reality. Its nothing more than fan frustration. In spite of, tag-a-long or whatever you want to call him doesn't change how long he has been with this team.

Yup. and the whole time he has been here, this offense has been defined by Ben's ability to "extend the play, and keep it alive", after the original play has broken down, not by Arians brilliant, genius gameplans and playcalling. Ben has been making BA look good for some time now, because no matter what if Ben completes a 50 yd. pass after the play breaks down, it goes down as a 50 yd. completion regardless.

You sound bitter.

Yeah, well having BA as OC will do that.

That first SB victory with Ben wasn't an offensive explosion and we have always relied and benefited from a great D.

Ben was way more instrumental to that first SB win than most give him credit for. He made the big pass to the one yd. line to set up the first td. Hines dropped an easy td pass. And he was one underthrown pass on a flag pattern to Ceddy Ced, from turning that game into a laugher.

Rockon