So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[JAR]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Why should I "put the fan card back in the deck"? I'm a Steeler fan on a Steeler fan forum. I have been a Steeler fan since 1968, and I have seen good and bad times. Only scoring 13 points after a bye and winning is not a bad thing.

Really. I've also been a Steelers fan for 40 plus years. They have never once made me whine, beetch or complain. I've been upset when they've lost a big game, but still never complained constantly about every thing the team hasn't done perfectly.

People that allow the Steelers to bring them such misery even when they are doing good, should just quit watching.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Personally, ,I think that we look at the Steelers offensive players and believe they have more talent than they actually do at this point in time.

Ben is a top tier quarterback and that hides many deficiencies.

The running backs are average to above average, none of them are good to great, we believe Mendenhall may be better than he actually is because of his draft position.

The WRs are good and getting better, but they are young and inexperienced and it showed against the Chiefs. These guys are going to be great, but they aren't yet.

The offensive line is still looking for cohesion and the same starting lineup in consecutive games. Injuries, brain cramps, average talent and a very good coach are keeping the offensive line together right now. With Pouncey out against the Chiefs the offensive line became rather offensive. The calls, blocking assignments, slides, etc all became Keystone Coppish without Pouncey directing. Starks has helped "solidify" the line as well and is giving Ben a certain amount of confidence that he will have time to go through his progressions. They won't be mistaken for a high caliber offensive line any time soon.

So, the Steelers have a great quarterback and average to above average talent everywhere else and we expect this offense to perform like the Saints and Packers? Hardly. This version of the Steelers offense is performing exactly as I would expect, sometimes very good, sometimes average and sometimes (unfortunately) poorly. As the receivers mature, the offensive line gels and the running backs get some lanes in which to run the offense will become more consistent; I wouldn't expect it this year.

Pappy

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the receivers aren't anything extra special cept for wally's speed. and they're pretty small considering the league's standards.

consider out last opponent the chiefs spending 2 1st round picks on big physical WR types. i like our guys and think we can win with them (heck, we've won with a trio of hines, el and ced as our top wideouts). as they gain more experience they should become even better

also heath's a great all around TE but he isnt the downfield receiving threat that we're seeing come into the league now

[fezziwig]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

I think Saunders can be that type of guy.

[sd steel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Why should I "put the fan card back in the deck"? I'm a Steeler fan on a Steeler fan forum. I have been a Steeler fan since 1968, and I have seen good and bad times. Only scoring 13 points after a bye and winning is not a bad thing.

I'm not questioning your fan hood, nor should you mine.

You said for me to put the fan card back in the deck, I was just telling you to quit whining like a chick.

[sd steel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

I think Saunders can be that type of guy.

I agree I think Saunders is going to be a beast.

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[quote=sd steel]

Why should I "put the fan card back in the deck"? I'm a Steeler fan on a Steeler fan forum. I have been a Steeler fan since 1968, and I have seen good and bad times. Only scoring 13 points after a bye and winning is not a bad thing.

I'm not questioning your fan hood, nor should you mine.

You said for me to put the fan card back in the deck, I was just telling you to quit whining like a chick.[/quote:26b9pmad]

I was referring to your comment about me rooting for the Chargers. If you're so threatened by any negative commentary on the Steelers, maybe you should post at steelers.com.

Because I complain doesn't mean I don't bleed for this ****ing team every week since I can remember.

So don't put the fan card back in the deck. Fold it once, lengthwise, then roll to a point and park it way, way up there.

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Why should I "put the fan card back in the deck"? I'm a Steeler fan on a Steeler fan forum. I have been a Steeler fan since 1968, and I have seen good and bad times. Only scoring 13 points after a bye and winning is not a bad thing.

Really. I've also been a Steelers fan for 40 plus years. They have never once made me whine, beetch or complain. I've been upset when they've lost a big game, but still never complained constantly about every thing the team hasn't done perfectly.

Nobody here does that. We just don't stick our heads in the sand when there are issues with the team. Thankfully, neither does the team. Did you hear Tomlin's PC? He was rip**** mad at their performance in KC. Good for him, but by all means, don't let him wilt your pom-poms.

People that allow the Steelers to bring them such misery even when they are doing good, should just quit watching.

I'm not miserable, and I don't think we're "doing good". I think we're treading water. We need to pick it up to compete in the playoffs.

You and SD are old timers like me. I appreciate these great runs my team has given me, but I also realize how fleeting they are. We lost Terry and didn't win another ring for 25 years. Ben gets hit a crapton and isn't going to play forever. Maybe I'm spoiled but division titles don't get my engine revved anymore. It's about the Lombardi.

[sd steel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[quote=WindyCitySteel]

Why should I "put the fan card back in the deck"? I'm a Steeler fan on a Steeler fan forum. I have been a Steeler fan since 1968, and I have seen good and bad times. Only scoring 13 points after a bye and winning is not a bad thing.

I'm not questioning your fan hood, nor should you mine.

You said for me to put the fan card back in the deck, I was just telling you to quit whining like a chick.

I was referring to your comment about me rooting for the Chargers. If you're so threatened by any negative commentary on the Steelers, maybe you should post at steelers.com.

Because I complain doesn't mean I don't bleed for this bad word team every week since I can remember.

So don't put the fan card back in the deck. Fold it once, lengthwise, then roll to a point and park it way, way up there.[/quotem0zd2h]

I wasn't saying to root for the Chargers because I don't think you are a fan, I mentioned the Chargers because they normally put up alot of points, but lose anyways. A win is a win whether it's by 1 point or 50. I looked at this game as very positive for us, because we normally lose games where we don't take advantage of turnovers and we let an inferior opponent stick around til the last drive. We closed the deal on "trap game". That in itself bodes well for our season. We aren't going to blow every team out, but the key is to win games that you don't execute your best in and to find ways to win. We did that, without Pouncey, Troy and Woodley in a place that we have blown games in the past. Was it pretty? no, but as Tomlin says, there's no such thing as style points in the NFL.

And no I won't shove the card up your a$$.

[fezziwig]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

I doubt their are any or many Steeler fans that are 100% negative about the team.
Even after a win the coaches talk more or only on the things that they need to repair rather than gush over the good plays.

To me complaining/pointing out flaws a team needs to address is pretty much what fans do outside of cheering for them on game day or the wish list of players you would like during draft season.

For me to view my team and give them unconditional love is never going to happen. I save that kind of love for my kids, parents and God above.

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

A win is a win whether it's by 1 point or 50. I looked at this game as very positive for us, because we normally lose games where we don't take advantage of turnovers and we let an inferior opponent stick around til the last drive. We closed the deal on "trap game". That in itself bodes well for our season. We aren't going to blow every team out, but the key is to win games that you don't execute your best in and to find ways to win.

Right, a win is a win, but don't kid yourself into believing that barely beating a bunch of tomato cans on the way to a good record means that you're a SB team. People have been tearing apart SF in anticipation of that game because they supposedly haven't played anyone, but by your standards I assume you think they're better than us because a win is a win and they have more wins.

And yeah, it's great to win when you're not playing your best, but at what point will we be playing our best? Veteran team, 11 games in, and we're finding ourselves? Maybe papillon is right - there is a way off this island - uh, err, I mean, maybe we're playing as well as we can.

I don't care who was missing last game, we had a bye to prepare for Tyler Palko, he obliged with four gift wrapped turnovers, and we barely escaped with a win. We'll lose to Cleveland if we repeat that effort.

[sd steel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

A win is a win whether it's by 1 point or 50. I looked at this game as very positive for us, because we normally lose games where we don't take advantage of turnovers and we let an inferior opponent stick around til the last drive. We closed the deal on "trap game". That in itself bodes well for our season. We aren't going to blow every team out, but the key is to win games that you don't execute your best in and to find ways to win.

Right, a win is a win, but don't kid yourself into believing that barely beating a bunch of tomato cans on the way to a good record means that you're a SB team. People have been tearing apart SF in anticipation of that game because they supposedly haven't played anyone, but by your standards I assume you think they're better than us because a win is a win and they have more wins.

And yeah, it's great to win when you're not playing your best, but at what point will we be playing our best? Veteran team, 11 games in, and we're finding ourselves? Maybe papillon is right - there is a way off this island - uh, err, I mean, maybe we're playing as well as we can.

I don't care who was missing last game, we had a bye to prepare for Tyler Palko, he obliged with four gift wrapped turnovers, and we barely escaped with a win. We'll lose to Cleveland if we repeat that effort.

First of all, no one in the NFL is a tomato can. The league is set up so any team can beat anyother team on any given day. The reason why people are questioning San Fran is because they are having success where they haven't in the past with the same personnel. Basically they brought in a coach who told them they were great and they are believing it, Palko and Alex Smith are similar QBs, except Smith has a couple years under his belt and he has a coach who has made him believe in himself as opposed to having Mike Singletary telling him that he sucks and the 85 Bears would kill him.

What you fail to see, which suprises me for someone who is a longtime fan like me is the season is extremely long and every season has ups and downs. All that really matters during the regular season is we win enough games to get into the playoffs, then we hope that we start peaking and we make a good run. Remember this is the same team that beat the Pats** earlier in the year. We have the talent and the scheme to beat anyone in the league, and we also have the problems that everyother team in the league does to make us lose even to the dregs of the league...just like every other team in the NFL. If Wallace catches the first TD and the deep ball or if Ben doesn't throw the pick this could have been a blowout. Every game has 3 or 4 plays that could turn the tide in a big way, and against KC we didn't execute on those plays, but we still won so I don't see the purpose of bitching about how many points we scored. No game in this league is a sure thing, and we have a history of losing similar games, so I am content with the victory, and there is alot of season left. That being said, I didn't jump off a bridge when we got blown out by the Ravens in game one either. I think we are in a pretty good position to get into the playoffs and make a run, and maybe I have the "glass is half full" attitude because I have watched 40+ years of Steeler football, and I also have seen the high scoring Chargers fail year in and year out. The points don't matter as long as you have more at the end of the game than your opponent.

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[quote=sd steel]

A win is a win whether it's by 1 point or 50. I looked at this game as very positive for us, because we normally lose games where we don't take advantage of turnovers and we let an inferior opponent stick around til the last drive. We closed the deal on "trap game". That in itself bodes well for our season. We aren't going to blow every team out, but the key is to win games that you don't execute your best in and to find ways to win.

Right, a win is a win, but don't kid yourself into believing that barely beating a bunch of tomato cans on the way to a good record means that you're a SB team. People have been tearing apart SF in anticipation of that game because they supposedly haven't played anyone, but by your standards I assume you think they're better than us because a win is a win and they have more wins.

And yeah, it's great to win when you're not playing your best, but at what point will we be playing our best? Veteran team, 11 games in, and we're finding ourselves? Maybe papillon is right - there is a way off this island - uh, err, I mean, maybe we're playing as well as we can.

I don't care who was missing last game, we had a bye to prepare for Tyler Palko, he obliged with four gift wrapped turnovers, and we barely escaped with a win. We'll lose to Cleveland if we repeat that effort.

First of all, no one in the NFL is a tomato can. The league is set up so any team can beat anyother team on any given day. The reason why people are questioning San Fran is because they are having success where they haven't in the past with the same personnel. Basically they brought in a coach who told them they were great and they are believing it, Palko and Alex Smith are similar QBs, except Smith has a couple years under his belt and he has a coach who has made him believe in himself as opposed to having Mike Singletary telling him that he sucks and the 85 Bears would kill him.

What you fail to see, which suprises me for someone who is a longtime fan like me is the season is extremely long and every season has ups and downs. All that really matters during the regular season is we win enough games to get into the playoffs, then we hope that we start peaking and we make a good run. Remember this is the same team that beat the Pats** earlier in the year. We have the talent and the scheme to beat anyone in the league, and we also have the problems that everyother team in the league does to make us lose even to the dregs of the league...just like every other team in the NFL. If Wallace catches the first TD and the deep ball or if Ben doesn't throw the pick this could have been a blowout. Every game has 3 or 4 plays that could turn the tide in a big way, and against KC we didn't execute on those plays, but we still won so I don't see the purpose of bitching about how many points we scored. No game in this league is a sure thing, and we have a history of losing similar games, so I am content with the victory, and there is alot of season left. That being said, I didn't jump off a bridge when we got blown out by the Ravens in game one either. I think we are in a pretty good position to get into the playoffs and make a run, and maybe I have the "glass is half full" attitude because I have watched 40+ years of Steeler football, and I also have seen the high scoring Chargers fail year in and year out. The points don't matter as long as you have more at the end of the game than your opponent.[/quote:2z8iji1t]


Because those type of games tend to come back and bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the way. And the Steelers keep walking that line. But, beyond that, it's simply maddening to watch this offense underachieve week in and week out.


Rockon

[sd steel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Because those type of games tend to come back and bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the way. And the Steelers keep walking that line. But, beyond that, it's simply maddening to watch this offense underachieve week in and week out.

Don't forget, there is another team on the field and it's their job to stop you. Are they really underacheiving? Or is it that some people don't take into account that you aren't going to score on every drive in the NFL?

[JAR]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Why should I "put the fan card back in the deck"? I'm a Steeler fan on a Steeler fan forum. I have been a Steeler fan since 1968, and I have seen good and bad times. Only scoring 13 points after a bye and winning is not a bad thing.

Really. I've also been a Steelers fan for 40 plus years. They have never once made me whine, beetch or complain. I've been upset when they've lost a big game, but still never complained constantly about every thing the team hasn't done perfectly.

Nobody here does that. We just don't stick our heads in the sand when there are issues with the team. Thankfully, neither does the team. Did you hear Tomlin's PC? He was rip**** mad at their performance in KC. Good for him, but by all means, don't let him wilt your pom-poms.

People that allow the Steelers to bring them such misery even when they are doing good, should just quit watching.

I'm not miserable, and I don't think we're "doing good". I think we're treading water. We need to pick it up to compete in the playoffs.

You and SD are old timers like me. I appreciate these great runs my team has given me, but I also realize how fleeting they are. We lost Terry and didn't win another ring for 25 years. Ben gets hit a crapton and isn't going to play forever. Maybe I'm spoiled but division titles don't get my engine revved anymore. It's about the Lombardi.

Of course there are issues, there always are. They are 8-3. Every year that they have gone to the SB, they've played the same way. If you're expecting a boring 35-3 blow out every week, it's not happening.

How boring would this team be if each and every week, they just annihilated the other team like you think they should? Why even watch? I'll take the edge of your seat nail biter every game of the year no matter who they are playing. That's football.

Other teams are paid to play. The Chiefs had a lot of emotion going into this game, the head coach and QB both growing up Steelers fans...etc, etc..

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Because those type of games tend to come back and bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the way. And the Steelers keep walking that line. But, beyond that, it's simply maddening to watch this offense underachieve week in and week out.

Don't forget, there is another team on the field and it's their job to stop you. Are they really underacheiving? Or is it that some people don't take into account that you aren't going to score on every drive in the NFL?

Yeah, when you take into account that other teams with "franchise QBs" seem to be a lot more efficient offensively than the Steelers. The stinking Dolphins scored 40 on the Chiefs with Matt Moore at QB for christ sake! Stop making excuses and apologizing for poor offensive football. I don't expect them to score every drive. But scoring 2 tds appears to be something of a Herculean task with this offense. They have too much talent for that.

They may be winning games, but they are not playing well offensively, whether some people want to hear it or not. We've won Sbs like this in the past, and if they can pull it off again, I'll take it all day. They just make the path very precarious when they play down to bad teams, and keep letting them hang around where one play can be the difference between a win and a loss. Against better teams, the outcome may not be as favorable.

And do we not think the Colts were trying to stop the Saints when they dropped 60 pts. on them? I'm sure they were. Yet the Saints managed to score 60 anyway. That's what happens when good teams put their foot on the throats of inferior teams. The Steelers rarely, if ever do that. And they have the talent to do it, which makes it all the more frustrating.


Rockon