So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[sd steel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

What no one here seems to realize that every game is different. There are different variables that go into every game. Just because team A beats team B by 40 points and we beat team A by 14 it doesn't mean that we should beat team B by 54 points.

Todd Haley had a vested interest in beating the Steelers because it was his favorite team and his father played and worked for the Steelers for many years. The weather was cold as compared to what we have been playing in and I think that and the hype before the game affected Wallace's play. Pouncey was expected to play, then after the first series he takes a seat and we end up having to move Legarsky to center and Kemo to guard...after benching Kemo. Hines was relegated to 4th string this week and Ben has a broken thumb. All of these little things as well as many other variables change the parameters of the game. All it takes is one O line let down or one bad pattern or one great play by a defender to shut down a drive. Everything doesn't go the way it is drawn up on paper the week prior to the game. To expect it to is only going to break your heart time and time again. Enjoy the win, we overcame obstacles and bettered our record to 8-3.

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Because those type of games tend to come back and bite you in the a$$ somewhere along the way. And the Steelers keep walking that line. But, beyond that, it's simply maddening to watch this offense underachieve week in and week out.

Don't forget, there is another team on the field and it's their job to stop you. Are they really underacheiving? Or is it that some people don't take into account that you aren't going to score on every drive in the NFL?

That excuse works if it's the exception, but with these Steelers it's the rule. The offense just isn't very productive.

[JAR]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

What no one here seems to realize that every game is different. There are different variables that go into every game. Just because team A beats team B by 40 points and we beat team A by 14 it doesn't mean that we should beat team B by 54 points.

Todd Haley had a vested interest in beating the Steelers because it was his favorite team and his father played and worked for the Steelers for many years. The weather was cold as compared to what we have been playing in and I think that and the hype before the game affected Wallace's play. Pouncey was expected to play, then after the first series he takes a seat and we end up having to move Legarsky to center and Kemo to guard...after benching Kemo. Hines was relegated to 4th string this week and Ben has a broken thumb. All of these little things as well as many other variables change the parameters of the game. All it takes is one O line let down or one bad pattern or one great play by a defender to shut down a drive. Everything doesn't go the way it is drawn up on paper the week prior to the game. To expect it to is only going to break your heart time and time again. Enjoy the win, we overcame obstacles and bettered our record to 8-3.

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

It has to be 35-3 every week or they suck!

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

What no one here seems to realize that every game is different. There are different variables that go into every game. Just because team A beats team B by 40 points and we beat team A by 14 it doesn't mean that we should beat team B by 54 points.

Todd Haley had a vested interest in beating the Steelers because it was his favorite team and his father played and worked for the Steelers for many years. The weather was cold as compared to what we have been playing in and I think that and the hype before the game affected Wallace's play. Pouncey was expected to play, then after the first series he takes a seat and we end up having to move Legarsky to center and Kemo to guard...after benching Kemo. Hines was relegated to 4th string this week and Ben has a broken thumb. All of these little things as well as many other variables change the parameters of the game. All it takes is one O line let down or one bad pattern or one great play by a defender to shut down a drive. Everything doesn't go the way it is drawn up on paper the week prior to the game. To expect it to is only going to break your heart time and time again. Enjoy the win, we overcame obstacles and bettered our record to 8-3.

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

It has to be 35-3 every week or they suck!

Nonsense. Nobody is saying that. When your team fails to score points most every week, it's a little naive to say we don't have problems. You guys are playing mental twister here, blindly hoping the offense becomes explosive in the playoffs.

If we win a Super Bowl, it will be on the backs of the defense and late game heroics by Ben again. I'm fine with that, just don't tell me we have a great offense but every opponent just had our number that day, gosh darn the luck.

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

It's a little sad that I'm now OK with our offense looking like azzz and hearing about how next week we will get it together. It's not really asking too much for 2 TD's vs KC when you have 4 TO's.

I don't think I've ever witnessed as many stupid mistakes that keep teams in games like I have with the Steelers. Up by 14 points it's free money to bet on an INT or costly mistake.

Funny thing is the PITT football and basketball programs are the exact same way.

It's a 3 river thing... you gotta understand.

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

$$

the receivers aren't anything extra special cept for wally's speed. and they're pretty small considering the league's standards.

consider out last opponent the chiefs spending 2 1st round picks on big physical WR types. i like our guys and think we can win with them (heck, we've won with a trio of hines, el and ced as our top wideouts). as they gain more experience they should become even better

also heath's a great all around TE but he isnt the downfield receiving threat that we're seeing come into the league now

I don't agree...

We have weapons but we aren't using them right...

we try for the homerun too much and refuse to bench Mend for a chain mover because he doesn't have the draft status or the speed of Mend.

Heath is a great possession WR... more drops then usual but still a weapon. Ask the Pats*

Ben is part of the problem... sure he is great but he also decides where the ball goes and he likes to go downfield....

I watch a ton of football and I see teams with worse players getting better production. Enough with the excuses... we are an ugly team on offense because our D bails us out. If we didn't have this D I bet our O would show more urgency and put up more points.

[JAR]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

What no one here seems to realize that every game is different. There are different variables that go into every game. Just because team A beats team B by 40 points and we beat team A by 14 it doesn't mean that we should beat team B by 54 points.

Todd Haley had a vested interest in beating the Steelers because it was his favorite team and his father played and worked for the Steelers for many years. The weather was cold as compared to what we have been playing in and I think that and the hype before the game affected Wallace's play. Pouncey was expected to play, then after the first series he takes a seat and we end up having to move Legarsky to center and Kemo to guard...after benching Kemo. Hines was relegated to 4th string this week and Ben has a broken thumb. All of these little things as well as many other variables change the parameters of the game. All it takes is one O line let down or one bad pattern or one great play by a defender to shut down a drive. Everything doesn't go the way it is drawn up on paper the week prior to the game. To expect it to is only going to break your heart time and time again. Enjoy the win, we overcame obstacles and bettered our record to 8-3.

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

It has to be 35-3 every week or they suck!

Nonsense. Nobody is saying that. When your team fails to score points most every week, it's a little naive to say we don't have problems. You guys are playing mental twister here, blindly hoping the offense becomes explosive in the playoffs.

If we win a Super Bowl, it will be on the backs of the defense and late game heroics by Ben again. I'm fine with that, just don't tell me we have a great offense but every opponent just had our number that day, gosh darn the luck.

Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

For me to view my team and give them unconditional love is never going to happen. I save that kind of love for my kids, parents and God above.

and beer

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

What no one here seems to realize that every game is different. There are different variables that go into every game. Just because team A beats team B by 40 points and we beat team A by 14 it doesn't mean that we should beat team B by 54 points.

Todd Haley had a vested interest in beating the Steelers because it was his favorite team and his father played and worked for the Steelers for many years. The weather was cold as compared to what we have been playing in and I think that and the hype before the game affected Wallace's play. Pouncey was expected to play, then after the first series he takes a seat and we end up having to move Legarsky to center and Kemo to guard...after benching Kemo. Hines was relegated to 4th string this week and Ben has a broken thumb. All of these little things as well as many other variables change the parameters of the game. All it takes is one O line let down or one bad pattern or one great play by a defender to shut down a drive. Everything doesn't go the way it is drawn up on paper the week prior to the game. To expect it to is only going to break your heart time and time again. Enjoy the win, we overcame obstacles and bettered our record to 8-3.

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

It has to be 35-3 every week or they suck!

Nonsense. Nobody is saying that. When your team fails to score points most every week, it's a little naive to say we don't have problems. You guys are playing mental twister here, blindly hoping the offense becomes explosive in the playoffs.

If we win a Super Bowl, it will be on the backs of the defense and late game heroics by Ben again. I'm fine with that, just don't tell me we have a great offense but every opponent just had our number that day, gosh darn the luck.

Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

Pretty sneaky. Way to play the numbers game. Some people might even be fooled by your little parlor trick.

Allow me to submit, that in those 6 wins they only scored more than 2 tds in 4 of those games. And against the Colts, of the 23 pts. scored, one was a defensive td, one of four games where the offense was held to a lone td for the game. That's the same amount of games as they've scored more than 2 tds.

The other 3 games they scored exactly 2 tds. Again, so, that little numbers game could be slanted both ways. Their red zone efficiency is almost, no not almost, it is laughable.

So, you can try to slant the numbers, or you can go by what you see on the field during the game. I prefer the latter. And what I see tells me this offense is inconsistent at best, and embarassing at other times.

They were shutout in the 2nd half of the first Ravens, Jax, Chiefs and the 1st half of the Texans games. They were held to fgs in the 2nd halfs of the Pats and Colts games(last td against Indy was defense). By comparison, I heard somewhere yesterday, that the Saints have only had 5 scoreless quarters all season. The Steelers have 4 scoreless halves. Just something to chew on.

Sunday's struggle against the Chiefs was not an abberation. This offense struggles to put the ball in the endzone consistently.

In fact, it could be stated that games like the Titans and Cardinals games are the aberration.


Rockon

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

If the blind squirrel runs back and forth across the park a hundred times, he's gonna stumble over an acorn or two.

It's called dumb luck.

BA calls 1 or 2, maybe 3 decent games a year. The rest are complete headscratchers with the offense tripping all over itself and no adjustments being made to counter whatever the defense is doing to give the offense problems. And, of course, the requisite redzone problems. All I can say is, "don't let em fool ya, oh no!!"



Rockon

[sd steel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

If the blind squirrel runs back and forth across the park a hundred times, he's gonna stumble over an acorn or two.

It's called dumb luck.

BA calls 1 or 2, maybe 3 decent games a year. The rest are complete headscratchers with the offense tripping all over itself and no adjustments being made to counter whatever the defense is doing to give the offense problems. And, of course, the requisite redzone problems. All I can say is, "don't let em fool ya, oh no!!"



Rockon

Well what are your credentials? With your vast football experience and your high offensive IQ why don't you put in for the OC job? I'm sure you can cure the redzone issues and make the adjustments necessary to put up 40 points a game. I'm sure you would be great! What coaching position do you currently hold, cause I am sure the Steelers job pays more.

[ikestops85]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

Sorry JAR but we are not tenth in the league in overall scoring. We are tenth in the league in yardage. We are 19th in the league in points. This tells us we move the ball in between the twenties very well but we don't hit paydirt nearly as often as we should.

I think our big problem is when we hit the redzone we try to run and get stuffed at the LOS. If we could get 3, 4 or 5 yards on that running play we would be more successful scoring TDs.

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[quote=sd steel]

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

If the blind squirrel runs back and forth across the park a hundred times, he's gonna stumble over an acorn or two.

It's called dumb luck.

BA calls 1 or 2, maybe 3 decent games a year. The rest are complete headscratchers with the offense tripping all over itself and no adjustments being made to counter whatever the defense is doing to give the offense problems. And, of course, the requisite redzone problems. All I can say is, "don't let em fool ya, oh no!!"



Rockon

Well what are your credentials? With your vast football experience and your high offensive IQ why don't you put in for the OC job? I'm sure you can cure the redzone issues and make the adjustments necessary to put up 40 points a game. I'm sure you would be great! What coaching position do you currently hold, cause I am sure the Steelers job pays more. [/quote:2lejms3i]


Yeah, that's a nice little snappy comeback. Clever and all that. Could I do a better job given the resources and access he has? I can't answer that. Tell you what though. I'd love to be the D coordinator gameplanning against his offense. There are a lot of people holding various coaching positions who aren't very good. If everybody was good at it, nobody would ever be fired.

But this isn't about me. This is about Bruce Arians. And he is not very good at the job he does. The Steelers win in spite of his incompetence. His playcalling appears to be random. His gameplans are pedestrian at best. And his refusal to use a FB, and then trying to force tight ends to do the job, is simply brilliant. I could go on about this idiots deficiencies, but who the hell has the time?

I give you credit for trying to deflect the issue though. My credentials aren't important here other than me being a concerned Steelers fan.

I'm gonna go help the squirrel crack his nuts now. Anybody seen my glasses?

Rockon

[fezziwig]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[quote=rockonsteel]

It is real easy to sit back and say the offense sucks because BA is horrible, but BA also came up with the plan to beat the Patriots.

If the blind squirrel runs back and forth across the park a hundred times, he's gonna stumble over an acorn or two.

It's called dumb luck.

BA calls 1 or 2, maybe 3 decent games a year. The rest are complete headscratchers with the offense tripping all over itself and no adjustments being made to counter whatever the defense is doing to give the offense problems. And, of course, the requisite redzone problems. All I can say is, "don't let em fool ya, oh no!!"



Rockon

Well what are your credentials? With your vast football experience and your high offensive IQ why don't you put in for the OC job? I'm sure you can cure the redzone issues and make the adjustments necessary to put up 40 points a game. I'm sure you would be great! What coaching position do you currently hold, cause I am sure the Steelers job pays more.

Yeah, that's a nice little snappy comeback. Clever and all that. Could I do a better job given the resources and access he has? I can't answer that. Tell you what though. I'd love to be the D coordinator gameplanning against his offense. There are a lot of people holding various coaching positions who aren't very good. If everybody was good at it, nobody would ever be fired.

But this isn't about me. This is about Bruce Arians. And he is not very good at the job he does. The Steelers win in spite of his incompetence. His playcalling appears to be random. His gameplans are pedestrian at best. And his refusal to use a FB, and then trying to force tight ends to do the job, is simply brilliant. I could go on about this idiots deficiencies, but who the hell has the time?

I give you credit for trying to deflect the issue though. My credentials aren't important here other than me being a concerned Steelers fan.

I'm gonna go help the squirrel crack his nuts now. Anybody seen my glasses?

Rockon[/quote:rhik9dxy]

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

I wonder if defensive coordinators look forward to playing us. I doubt it but given how fans feel about BA iyou would think it would be rather easy to defeat us.