So much for teams struggling after the bye week

[fezziwig]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

They probably hate playing against Ben. Ben earns more on broken plays, buying time than Arians could draw up in two life times.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

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the receivers aren't anything extra special cept for wally's speed. and they're pretty small considering the league's standards.

consider out last opponent the chiefs spending 2 1st round picks on big physical WR types. i like our guys and think we can win with them (heck, we've won with a trio of hines, el and ced as our top wideouts). as they gain more experience they should become even better

also heath's a great all around TE but he isnt the downfield receiving threat that we're seeing come into the league now

I don't agree...

We have weapons but we aren't using them right...

we try for the homerun too much and refuse to bench Mend for a chain mover because he doesn't have the draft status or the speed of Mend.

Heath is a great possession WR... more drops then usual but still a weapon. Ask the Pats*

Ben is part of the problem... sure he is great but he also decides where the ball goes and he likes to go downfield....

and we pay our defense to be like that...even draft that way. 2 de's in the last 3 years added to a defense thats been tops in the league for the last several years **scratches head**

heath was great (and uncovered a lot) vs NE. the pats defense was ranked near the bottom of the league and the offense looked good against them.

thats 1 defense the offense has faced that seems like the equivalent of some of the QB's the offenses have faced
(palko, tavaris jackso n, whoever the heck we faced vs. arizona, flacco x's 2, rookie dalton x.s 2 after this week, rookie gabbert

I watch a ton of football and I see teams with worse players getting better production. Enough with the excuses... we are an ugly team on offense because our D bails us out. If we didn't have this D I bet our O would show more urgency and put up more points.

if we didnt have this defense we wouldnt be paying top money to smith, hampton, the 3 LBs (with farrior not far behind) troy, ike etc etc and probably have some of the cap devoted more to the offense.
remember we didnt have enough cap room to bring max back at first, even though even the average fan could see he was the better option at LT

PS... to another poster regarding wes saunders. i think he's more like the heath miller TE then these smaller hybrid big WR/small TE types.
isnt he like 265 LBs

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

We're 19th in PPG, not 10th. No, not nearly good enough.

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

I wonder if defensive coordinators look forward to playing us. I doubt it but given how fans feel about BA iyou would think it would be rather easy to defeat us.

It's rather easy to stymie our offense. The defense and Ben operating outside of the game plan, be it no-huddle or after the original play breaks down, is what wins games for the Steelers.

Rockon is spot on - they win in spite of Arians.

[JAR]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

We're 19th in PPG, not 10th. No, not nearly good enough.

My bad, sorted the stats wrong. Ok, so they need to score 2.5 more points to move into tenth.

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

I wonder if defensive coordinators look forward to playing us. I doubt it but given how fans feel about BA iyou would think it would be rather easy to defeat us.

It's rather easy to stymie our offense. The defense and Ben operating outside of the game plan, be it no-huddle or after the original play breaks down, is what wins games for the Steelers.

Rockon is spot on - they win in spite of Arians.

How many games have we won due to the no huddle this year? I think you guys are just looking to blame BA instead of the actual events that happen once the play starts.

How many WTF INT's has Ben thrown this year? How many were in the no huddle?
How many WTF plays have we had with holds or false starts?
All these things and the D play a role in our offense looking like trash.

We are 8-3.... we aren't going to salt away games like we did with Bettis on the roster.

Sure Ben has been clutch but he has thrown some boneheaded INT's this year... it's not all BA. It's the OL that we threw out there in week 1. It's the horrible red zone execution. It's Mend looking like azzzz. It's Miller dropping passes he usually catches.. It's young WR's making mistakes. We have injuries, Ward on the decline, etc....


To say it's success in spite of BA is pure laziness and pretty useless at this point in his career.

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

We're 19th in PPG, not 10th. No, not nearly good enough.

My bad, sorted the stats wrong. Ok, so they need to score 2.5 more points to move into tenth.

Who cares how many points we score as long as we score more than the other team...

I swear some fans would rather be 3-8 with tons of fantasy stats.

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

We're 19th in PPG, not 10th. No, not nearly good enough.

My bad, sorted the stats wrong. Ok, so they need to score 2.5 more points to move into tenth.

Who cares how many points we score as long as we score more than the other team...

I swear some fans would rather be 3-8 with tons of fantasy stats.

You're still not getting it. We're not concerned with fantasy points, we're concerned with our team's ability to beat the better teams we'll see in January with an offense that is struggling mightily.

I don't even care if we succeed running or throwing. Just give me some consistency and look like there is a semblance of a clue as to what your identity is. I have no idea what this offense is supposed to be other than BA's mad scientist lab.

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

To say it's success in spite of BA is pure laziness and pretty useless at this point in his career.

Look at his resume. His offenses have always been average to poor. At this point in his career, he's plateau'd as an average to poor OC that can't get an interview despite being on three Super Bowl teams in five years.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

To say it's success in spite of BA is pure laziness and pretty useless at this point in his career.

Look at his resume. His offenses have always been average to poor. At this point in his career, he's plateau'd as an average to poor OC that can't get an interview despite being on three Super Bowl teams in five years.

$$$
I don't think he'd still be with the Steelers except that Ben loves him.

[JAR]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

We're 19th in PPG, not 10th. No, not nearly good enough.

My bad, sorted the stats wrong. Ok, so they need to score 2.5 more points to move into tenth.

Who cares how many points we score as long as we score more than the other team...

I swear some fans would rather be 3-8 with tons of fantasy stats.

I don't care, I care about wins unlike others.

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

Lets see, in 6 of their wins. they have scored 21 or more points, 2 of those were 30 plus point wins, that's not good enough? They are tenth in the league overall in scoring, playing in the division that has 4 of the top six defenses in the league.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory= GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2011&seas onType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1[/url]

We're 19th in PPG, not 10th. No, not nearly good enough.

My bad, sorted the stats wrong. Ok, so they need to score 2.5 more points to move into tenth.

Who cares how many points we score as long as we score more than the other team...

I swear some fans would rather be 3-8 with tons of fantasy stats.

You're still not getting it. We're not concerned with fantasy points, we're concerned with our team's ability to beat the better teams we'll see in January with an offense that is struggling mightily.

I don't even care if we succeed running or throwing. Just give me some consistency and look like there is a semblance of a clue as to what your identity is. I have no idea what this offense is supposed to be other than BA's mad scientist lab.

Our identity is to play down to lesser teams... we've always done this and it has nothing to do with BA.

We are a vertical team... if WR's drop passes and RB's miss holes or fumble at the GL blame them not the OC.

3 SB's in 7 years... 2 with BA as OC and people are still crying about winning in January.

It's like you guys are new Steeler fans and keep forgetting what our past results were.

[feltdizz]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

To say it's success in spite of BA is pure laziness and pretty useless at this point in his career.

Look at his resume. His offenses have always been average to poor. At this point in his career, he's plateau'd as an average to poor OC that can't get an interview despite being on three Super Bowl teams in five years.

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I don't think he'd still be with the Steelers except that Ben loves him.

Then blame Ben...

and guess what people? We know BA hasn't been offered a HC job... but he has been to a few SB's and may get to a few more. That isn't a bad thing.

[Slapstick]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

The whole "didn't get an HC interview" is bogus...

Pat Shurmur is a HC, for God's sake...

He was so awesome as McNabb's QB coach for ten years and then the Rams' OC?

Really?

Josh McDaniels oversaw a prolific offense and was a HC...how did that work out for him?

How about Tony Sparano?

Owners pick who they want to pick...rarely do dark horse candidates get an HC job...

[rockonsteel]

Re: So much for teams struggling after the bye week

The whole "didn't get an HC interview" is bogus...

Pat Shurmur is a HC, for God's sake...

He was so awesome as McNabb's QB coach for ten years and then the Rams' OC?

Really?

Josh McDaniels oversaw a prolific offense and was a HC...how did that work out for him?

How about Tony Sparano?

Owners pick who they want to pick...rarely do dark horse candidates get an HC job...

My dude. You're missing the point entirely. Nobody is saying that every OC that gets a head coaching job is gonna be successful. Some will, some won't. History has shown this to be true.

However, the point is that they were good enough as OCs to get the attention of teams looking for a new coach. Whether or not they're successful once they're in the job, is a moot point. BA apparently has not impressed enough people in his current position as OC of the Pittsburgh Steelers, to warrant any other team interviewing him, let alone giving him a HC job.

Hell, even the QB coach Finchner got a HC job(granted it is college) while BA never even got a sniff. It has to say something about the guy that nobody sees him as being good enough to lead their football program, college or pro.

I wonder how many of you apologists would actually hire the guy if you were looking for someone to run the offense for your football club.


Rockon