Steeelers to trade up.

[Blockhead]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

[quote=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

I agree with Ruth. None of the OT have "elite" written on them. Pouncey does. The OT could develop into something special but they all have ther flaws. The OT with the highest ceiling is Tyron Smith. Even Smith has to gain some more bulk to play at the next level. He projects better to the LT spot but has limited experience there. Needs to be coach up on technique. But he could turn into an elite LT but the "bust" factor is there.

I agree with whomever said Carimi is the most ready to plug and play. Solder & Costanzo will struggle if they are inserted their rookie year with the stout pass rushers they come up against. They are very athletic but tend to get caught waist bending because of their size. In college, you can get away with that from time to time but a guy like James Harrison will smell that stink and eat them up. With some added lower body strentgh, coaching, and learning good hand placement...They will turn into solid LTs.

What? None have elite ability. Solder and Smith have rare movement skills for their size but need technique and some bulk/strength help. Castanzo is the complete package and has all the ability to be elite. Carimi is, as I said earlier, the most ready but also the lowest ceiling of the one's I just listed.

I'd take any of them over Pouncey. I like Pouncey but he doesn't have their abilities or upside.

I didn't say none have elite abilities. Don't put words in my mouth and comprehend what I write. I said none have "elite" written on them. This isn't a cream of the crop class of OT. Rare movement skills doesn't equate to an elite OT. Solder, Smith, Carimi, and Costanzo all move well for their size.

I said Smith has the highest ceiling but needs the most work and projected to LT (Boom or Bust). Carimini is the most ready to plug & play. However, I think Carimi is a plug & play at RT at the next level and Costanzo right now will do better at LT. Solder and Castanzo are not complete packages. They need work and whenever you bring in 6"7" or better waist benders...It is a gamble to get them to refine their technique. When they also need to get stronger in the upper or lower body with a tendacy to waist bend...It could take some work. Like I said, the could develop into something special. Did I say if all the OTs were on the board & Pouncey I would still take Pouncey? No. But the Steelers also don't have a shot at most of these guys. If Carimi or Solder fall within reach I would consider them as well. Pouncey is the most ready to play and the surest prospect on the OL. His position has something to do with it, thats a given. But that doesn't make him the 1st OL off the board because OT are harder to find. Pouncey could not play their position as well as any of them but if you stick all of them at G...None will be as good as Pouncey.[/quote:2yjy5i70]
There are 4-5 OT's in this draft that could end up being high quality LT's in the league.

I would say this is EASILY an elite offensive tackle draft.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

i saw a recent 1st rd mock with prince going at #23 9to the eagles IIRC)

how how much would we have to trade to get to #22?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

i saw a recent 1st rd mock with prince going at #23 9to the eagles IIRC)

how how much would we have to trade to get to #22?

I'd be surprised if Amukamara gets past Dallas at #9.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

i saw a recent 1st rd mock with prince going at #23 9to the eagles IIRC)

how how much would we have to trade to get to #22?

I'd be surprised if Amukamara gets past Dallas at #9.

its jerry. dont be surprised they picked the highest ranked razor back, LOL.


did they release newman? if they draft prince, that would give them 3 #1 at conerback. 2 drafted in the top 10

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

[quote=NJ-STEELER]

i saw a recent 1st rd mock with prince going at #23 9to the eagles IIRC)

how how much would we have to trade to get to #22?

I'd be surprised if Amukamara gets past Dallas at #9.

its jerry. dont be surprised they picked the highest ranked razor back, LOL.


did they release newman? if they draft prince, that would give them 3 #1 at conerback. 2 drafted in the top 10[/quote:196x5z28]

Their pass defense still sucked last year. They were 26th in overall passing yardage, 29th in yards allowed per pass attempt, and tied for dead last in the league for TD passes surrendered through the air.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

[quote=Blockhead]

I agree with Ruth. None of the OT have "elite" written on them. Pouncey does. The OT could develop into something special but they all have ther flaws. The OT with the highest ceiling is Tyron Smith. Even Smith has to gain some more bulk to play at the next level. He projects better to the LT spot but has limited experience there. Needs to be coach up on technique. But he could turn into an elite LT but the "bust" factor is there.

I agree with whomever said Carimi is the most ready to plug and play. Solder & Costanzo will struggle if they are inserted their rookie year with the stout pass rushers they come up against. They are very athletic but tend to get caught waist bending because of their size. In college, you can get away with that from time to time but a guy like James Harrison will smell that stink and eat them up. With some added lower body strentgh, coaching, and learning good hand placement...They will turn into solid LTs.

What? None have elite ability. Solder and Smith have rare movement skills for their size but need technique and some bulk/strength help. Castanzo is the complete package and has all the ability to be elite. Carimi is, as I said earlier, the most ready but also the lowest ceiling of the one's I just listed.

I'd take any of them over Pouncey. I like Pouncey but he doesn't have their abilities or upside.

I didn't say none have elite abilities. Don't put words in my mouth and comprehend what I write. I said none have "elite" written on them. This isn't a cream of the crop class of OT. Rare movement skills doesn't equate to an elite OT. Solder, Smith, Carimi, and Costanzo all move well for their size.

I said Smith has the highest ceiling but needs the most work and projected to LT (Boom or Bust). Carimini is the most ready to plug & play. However, I think Carimi is a plug & play at RT at the next level and Costanzo right now will do better at LT. Solder and Castanzo are not complete packages. They need work and whenever you bring in 6"7" or better waist benders...It is a gamble to get them to refine their technique. When they also need to get stronger in the upper or lower body with a tendacy to waist bend...It could take some work. Like I said, the could develop into something special. Did I say if all the OTs were on the board & Pouncey I would still take Pouncey? No. But the Steelers also don't have a shot at most of these guys. If Carimi or Solder fall within reach I would consider them as well. Pouncey is the most ready to play and the surest prospect on the OL. His position has something to do with it, thats a given. But that doesn't make him the 1st OL off the board because OT are harder to find. Pouncey could not play their position as well as any of them but if you stick all of them at G...None will be as good as Pouncey.

There are 4-5 OT's in this draft that could end up being high quality LT's in the league.

I would say this is EASILY an elite offensive tackle draft.[/quote:1csfzzg3]

There is not one elite OT prospect in this draft. Not my opinion. Watch and listen. Talked about all the time. Doesn't mean there are not any good prospects would could develop into something. Some very athletic big men that are rated very high. All if them have technique and/or strength issues and being that 3 of the 4 highest rated OT are 6'7" or taller...There is a concern. Carimi could be the lowest risk guy because he looks like at min would be a solid RT. You see the elite prospects picked in the Top 10 like Joe Thomas, Jake Longs, Ryan Cladys....I don't think we will see a top 10 OT because of all this. The guy who has possible "elite" tools down the line has the highest ceiling in Tyron Smith. However, he still is a little undersized and doesn't have the experience at LT in college to warrant taking him that high. A more "Boom or Bust" pick because if he can't play on the left...He may not have a position to play. We will see. If any of the teams feel there is an elite prospect in this group he will come off the board in the top 10.

[Oviedo]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

You aren't going to get a Joe Thomas type LT in this draft. You may get another Max Starks which is OK but not a Pro Bowler. The reality is unless you draft in the Top 10 it is unlikely you get one of those Joe Thomas type OTs.

This draft has a number of good RT candidates but do you want to use the Round 1 pick on a RT? Especially when there are some who you can get Round 2 thru 5.

IMO the whole Adams and Colon dynamic will play a big part in the decision of what they do. But if you look at Best Player Available at #31 that is probably not going to be a RT. Especially with the potential of Kyle Rudolph (TE), Jon Baldwin (WR), several CBs and DL all being at #31. They all will better meet the BPA criteria more than any of the likely OTs.

IMO if they don't get Pouncey II then we aren't going OL in Round 1.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

View From The Press Box

The Pouncey question

March 21st, 2011


NEW ORLEANS -- Should the Steelers seriously consider trading up in the first round to take Mike Pouncey?

It is a pretty safe assumption that Pouncey will be gone before the Steelers’ first pick in the NFL draft, No. 31 overall.

Part of that is due to the success his twin brother, Maurkice, had last season with the Steelers. Pouncey made a seamless transition from college to the NFL, becoming the Steelers’ first rookie offensive linemen to make the Pro Bowl since the 1950s.

Mike Pouncey has said he wants to play center in the NFL, like his brother, but he may be just as suited to play guard. And his stellar career at Florida isn’t the only indicator that he should thrive at the next level as well.

When asked if Mike Pouncey is a clone of Maurkice Pouncey, the No. 18 overall pick in 2010, Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said, “Identical twin.”

On the field too? “Identical twin,” Colbert said.

Wow. That is heady praise.

And that observation alone should make the Steelers think long and hard about trying to re-unite the Pouncey brothers in Pittsburgh.

They have a need at guard, and if Mike Pouncey is anything close to his brother as a player, the Steelers will take another big step in shoring up their offensive line.

Cost, of course, will be a factor if the Steelers decide to trade up in the first round -- something they did in 2003 to take Troy Polamalu and then in 2006 to snag Santonio Holmes.

The Steelers have seven picks in the draft, which will be held April 28-30, and they aren’t expected to receiving any compensatory selections (those will be awarded Monday or Tuesday at the NFL owners meetings).

Colbert plays his draft hand as close to the vest as possible. But he indicated that only having seven draft picks won’t dissuade the Steelers from trading some of them if they want to move up in the first round.

“You go into every draft anticipating you’re going to have seven picks,” Colbert said. “You may come out of it with four (picks), you may come out of it with 10 again by trading down or trading up.”

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[Oviedo]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

View From The Press Box

The Pouncey question

March 21st, 2011


NEW ORLEANS -- Should the Steelers seriously consider trading up in the first round to take Mike Pouncey?

It is a pretty safe assumption that Pouncey will be gone before the Steelers’ first pick in the NFL draft, No. 31 overall.

Part of that is due to the success his twin brother, Maurkice, had last season with the Steelers. Pouncey made a seamless transition from college to the NFL, becoming the Steelers’ first rookie offensive linemen to make the Pro Bowl since the 1950s.

Mike Pouncey has said he wants to play center in the NFL, like his brother, but he may be just as suited to play guard. And his stellar career at Florida isn’t the only indicator that he should thrive at the next level as well.

When asked if Mike Pouncey is a clone of Maurkice Pouncey, the No. 18 overall pick in 2010, Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said, “Identical twin.”

On the field too? “Identical twin,” Colbert said.

Wow. That is heady praise.

And that observation alone should make the Steelers think long and hard about trying to re-unite the Pouncey brothers in Pittsburgh.

They have a need at guard, and if Mike Pouncey is anything close to his brother as a player, the Steelers will take another big step in shoring up their offensive line.

Cost, of course, will be a factor if the Steelers decide to trade up in the first round -- something they did in 2003 to take Troy Polamalu and then in 2006 to snag Santonio Holmes.

The Steelers have seven picks in the draft, which will be held April 28-30, and they aren’t expected to receiving any compensatory selections (those will be awarded Monday or Tuesday at the NFL owners meetings).

Colbert plays his draft hand as close to the vest as possible. But he indicated that only having seven draft picks won’t dissuade the Steelers from trading some of them if they want to move up in the first round.

“You go into every draft anticipating you’re going to have seven picks,” Colbert said. “You may come out of it with four (picks), you may come out of it with 10 again by trading down or trading up.”

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I prefer your Mock and trade down, not up, and get more picks. We can get a good Guard in Round 2 or 3.

To me it sounds like Colbert is trying to convince someone to take Pouncey II so maybe an OT falls to him.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Another reason why attempting to re-unite the Pouncey twins may be a solid football decision (even if we have to pay a hefty price to trade up to get him):

Once the draft is held, teams can have no contract with the players that they have drafted until this CBA is taken care of. No rookie mini-camps. No OTA's. No opportunity for a rookie to start learning the playbook before they take the field at training camp (which may or may not even occur this year at all if there is an extended lockout).

Rookies will be completely in the dark...if you thought it was difficult for a rookie to get playing time in a LeBeau defense under normal circumstances, it would appear to be virtually impossible for said rookie to make an impact in this particular situation.

Unless, of course, that rookie had a twin brother who would live with the rookie #1 pick during this offseason, teaching him our system, going over plays together, working out together...everything. If Mike Pouncey was drafted by the team that already employed his twin brother, he would have a leg up on every other rookie in the NFL, because he would have a live-in tutor to guide him through the darkness of not having contact with his team following the draft. That would be HUGE.