Steeelers to trade up.

[aggiebones]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

lol, this thought is funny.
What do the Steelers do best (aside from draft subterfuge)?

They don't panic. They don't overstretch to get someone. If someone is falling, then yes, they'll reach up nearby and grab that player. Like Holmes or Troy, who were both talentwise, good moves.
BUT Pouncey likely will go higher than his grade. Why? His brothers success. Someone will likely jump too early to grab him based on his brother's success. Someone will likely reach and reach past his value. It won't be the Steelers.
If they value him around 25 and alot of their players have fallen off the board, then maybe they make a move. They will not jump to grab the second best of the 2 twins. Its a nice story, nothing more.
I'm sure other teams are trying to entice the Steelers to jump up and use their pick on him as well.

[birtikidis]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Pouncey at 25 would be a steal. I'd have no problem whatsoever if they made that trade. In fact, I'd probably go to the bar and buy everyone a round to celebrate.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

lol, this thought is funny.
What do the Steelers do best (aside from draft subterfuge)?

They don't panic. They don't overstretch to get someone. If someone is falling, then yes, they'll reach up nearby and grab that player. Like Holmes or Troy, who were both talentwise, good moves.
BUT Pouncey likely will go higher than his grade. Why? His brothers success. Someone will likely jump too early to grab him based on his brother's success. Someone will likely reach and reach past his value. It won't be the Steelers.
If they value him around 25 and alot of their players have fallen off the board, then maybe they make a move. They will not jump to grab the second best of the 2 twins. Its a nice story, nothing more.
I'm sure other teams are trying to entice the Steelers to jump up and use their pick on him as well.

Top rated interior OL in the draft. Has nothing to do with his brother's success. Earned everything on his own by his play. It's funny you mentioned Holmes & Troy. Steelers moved up to take the highest rated player at his position...First S off the board in Troy Polamalu. Steelers moved up to take the highest rated player at his position...First WR off the board in Santonio Holmes. Don't be surprised when the Steelers continue that trend and moved up to take the highest rated player at his position...First OG off the board in Mike Pouncey. Polamalu & Holmes were moves to grab a position of need for the Steelers for players that the Steelers felt could contribute right away. Sound familiar?

Why is this a realistic scenario? Because the Steelers 2 biggest needs are CB & OG. They Steelers are likely to be left out of the first round CB crop because of their position. The only one with 1st round talent grade that could be in reach or fall is Jimmy Smith. The Steelers will be hesitant to draft Smith because of his off field issues and failed drug test. Once Petersen & Amukamara are off the board, there are teams at the end of the 1st looking for a CB. Williams has received 1st round consideration both Williams & Smith might not make it past Seattle & Baltimore.

Baltimore is in needs of a CB and C. This is what makes it interested. The Steelers are in need of a CB & G. Which on could it be? I would speculate it is unlikely the Steelers will jump up to take Smith with his off field issues if he is there at #25. I also think they will not want to trade up for Williams at #25. I think there is a good possibilty that a team will overdraft Williams because they need a CB and Smith is the guy still on the board. And if the Ravens are faced with a Smith, Williams, or Pouncey...I believe they take Pouncey. Birk will be 35 by season start. Being that there is a drop off from Pouncey to Wisniewski in a rather weak C class and the CB class is strong through the first 3 rounds....Add in Smith's off field issues...The Ravens have an easy choice. That would be my logical reasoning why the Steelers want to get ahead of the Ravens.

One thing your are not considering. Steelers are picking #31. The Steelers took Pouncey @ #18. Moving up "to grab the second best of the 2 twins" at #25 is not "overstretching" to get the highest rated player at his position who will start day 1. It is called getting another impact player who will help this team for the next 10 years. I would say that it is simply, "Good Bidniz!"

[Oviedo]

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Pouncey at 25 would be a steal. I'd have no problem whatsoever if they made that trade. In fact, I'd probably go to the bar and buy everyone a round to celebrate.

Losing a 3rd Round pick to get him at #25 is not a steal. It is overpaying for a Guard.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Pouncey at 25 would be a steal. I'd have no problem whatsoever if they made that trade. In fact, I'd probably go to the bar and buy everyone a round to celebrate.

Losing a 3rd Round pick to get him at #25 is not a steal. It is overpaying for a Guard.

Sitting at #31 and overdrafting a CB who could be hit or miss and possibly wasting a first round pick versus Not trading up for Mike Pouncey who goes on to start day 1 and become a Perennial Pro Bowler for another team doesn't sound like "overpaying" to me. Trading up sounds like the Steelers did their due diligence and made the best move that would impact the team for the immediate and long term future. You can always get picks back in a draft. You can never get the caliber of player who someone picked ahead of you.

[Blockhead]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Pouncey at 25 would be a steal. I'd have no problem whatsoever if they made that trade. In fact, I'd probably go to the bar and buy everyone a round to celebrate.

Losing a 3rd Round pick to get him at #25 is not a steal. It is overpaying for a Guard.

Yeah, I'm with you. Now if we get a 4th back, I'd be fine.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Pouncey at 25 would be a steal. I'd have no problem whatsoever if they made that trade. In fact, I'd probably go to the bar and buy everyone a round to celebrate.

Losing a 3rd Round pick to get him at #25 is not a steal. It is overpaying for a Guard.

Losing a 3rd round pick to get him at #25 is neither a steal nor overpaying.

It is the cost of doing good business to get the best player in the draft at a position of need.

Losing a 2nd round pick to get him at #19 would be overpaying.

Having him fall into our laps at #31 without having to give up anything would be a steal.

[birtikidis]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Pouncey at 25 would be a steal. I'd have no problem whatsoever if they made that trade. In fact, I'd probably go to the bar and buy everyone a round to celebrate.

Losing a 3rd Round pick to get him at #25 is not a steal. It is overpaying for a Guard.

You're crazy. Drafting the best player, and a guy who would solidify that position for the next 10 years is not overpaying. especially when you're hoping that a 3rd rounder can be a starter at best but most likely just a contributor. That's like saying giving up a pick for Troy P. was a waste.

[birtikidis]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Pouncey at 25 would be a steal. I'd have no problem whatsoever if they made that trade. In fact, I'd probably go to the bar and buy everyone a round to celebrate.

Losing a 3rd Round pick to get him at #25 is not a steal. It is overpaying for a Guard.

Sitting at #31 and overdrafting a CB who could be hit or miss and possibly wasting a first round pick versus Not trading up for Mike Pouncey who goes on to start day 1 and become a Perennial Pro Bowler for another team doesn't sound like "overpaying" to me. Trading up sounds like the Steelers did their due diligence and made the best move that would impact the team for the immediate and long term future. You can always get picks back in a draft. You can never get the caliber of player who someone picked ahead of you.

wow someone who gets it.
everyone wants to "REACH" for a corner because of a perceived deficiency there.. A corner who may not be even top 5 at his position. A player who has no chance to start from day one. that's what I call worriesome.

[aggiebones]

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Guards can be found in loose places. There are solid ones in FA at reasonable prices. Stop saying G is such a need. You can afford one 1st rounder for the interior OL. We have him already.

We have needs all over the fecking place.
CB and Tackle first and foremost! Then bump Colon down to G
DL in the VERY near future at the other DE or NT
MLB
And at some near point a new Safety.

Mike is not as good as his brother. Here's an old exerpt:

"Intangibles: Nearly identical twin brother Maurkice was Florida's starting center each of the past three seasons and was selected No. 18 overall pick of the 2010 NFL Draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Prior to Maurkice leaving Florida early for the NFL, the twins made most of their decisions together. Maurkice wasn't willing to sign with Florida until they offered Mike a scholarship, for example. The twins selected Florida over Florida State, Clemson, Miami (Fla.) and Michigan. "

He's always been second fiddle. Maybe he ends up an All-Pro, but its not just genetics (and I'm a geneticist by trade). And again, we don't need to use back to back 1st rounders on interior OL.

[aggiebones]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

The other point I meant to make is that this is a good draft for Guards. And while Mike is very good, so are alot of players in the 1st round. They may be able to get a top DE and a guard rated only slightly behind Mike.

We'll see. Noone knows what the Steelers will do.
But if the past ten years are an indication, they will not miss.

[steelz09]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Pouncey at 25 would be a steal. I'd have no problem whatsoever if they made that trade. In fact, I'd probably go to the bar and buy everyone a round to celebrate.

Losing a 3rd Round pick to get him at #25 is not a steal. It is overpaying for a Guard.

I disagree. I wouldn't mind losing a 3rd rounder to get Pouncey. Wouldn't it be nice to say the Steelers solidified the interior of their line for once (w/ the exception of Kemo who could lose his job)? People are acting like a 3rd round pick is a guaranteed starter. He may never see the field. Pouncey is a low risk pick.

[Oviedo]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Guards can be found in loose places. There are solid ones in FA at reasonable prices. Stop saying G is such a need. You can afford one 1st rounder for the interior OL. We have him already.

We have needs all over the fecking place.
CB and Tackle first and foremost! Then bump Colon down to G
DL in the VERY near future at the other DE or NT
MLB
And at some near point a new Safety.

Mike is not as good as his brother. Here's an old exerpt:

"Intangibles: Nearly identical twin brother Maurkice was Florida's starting center each of the past three seasons and was selected No. 18 overall pick of the 2010 NFL Draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Prior to Maurkice leaving Florida early for the NFL, the twins made most of their decisions together. Maurkice wasn't willing to sign with Florida until they offered Mike a scholarship, for example. The twins selected Florida over Florida State, Clemson, Miami (Fla.) and Michigan. "

He's always been second fiddle. Maybe he ends up an All-Pro, but its not just genetics (and I'm a geneticist by trade). And again, we don't need to use back to back 1st rounders on interior OL.

Here is someone who really DOES GET IT!!!!

Mike IS NOT, I Repeat, IS NOT Maurkice. He stayed in college for a reason. He IS NOT as good. Back to back Round 1 picks on interior line ties up a high percentage of salary cap on the interior line. Not smart.

We need OT and CB much, much, much more!!!!!!!

[steelz09]

Re: Steeelers to trade up.

Guards can be found in loose places. There are solid ones in FA at reasonable prices. Stop saying G is such a need. You can afford one 1st rounder for the interior OL. We have him already.

We have needs all over the fecking place.
CB and Tackle first and foremost! Then bump Colon down to G
DL in the VERY near future at the other DE or NT
MLB
And at some near point a new Safety.

Mike is not as good as his brother. Here's an old exerpt:

"Intangibles: Nearly identical twin brother Maurkice was Florida's starting center each of the past three seasons and was selected No. 18 overall pick of the 2010 NFL Draft by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Prior to Maurkice leaving Florida early for the NFL, the twins made most of their decisions together. Maurkice wasn't willing to sign with Florida until they offered Mike a scholarship, for example. The twins selected Florida over Florida State, Clemson, Miami (Fla.) and Michigan. "

He's always been second fiddle. Maybe he ends up an All-Pro, but its not just genetics (and I'm a geneticist by trade). And again, we don't need to use back to back 1st rounders on interior OL.

Yup, guards are easy to find..... which explains why we've had such an easy time replacing Faneca when he left.

[birtikidis]

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I can't see how Tackle is such a need.
we have 10 of them. and one guard.\
yea mike isn't maurkice, but we don't need maurkice. we already have a center. which is how you're evaluating him. but then your pre-draft analysis of Maurkice wasn't exactly spot on. You'd have had us take a position we didn't need to take. This year, you'd have us take a position where we have need, just no good players. you do a lot of reaching Ovi.