Cowher power for crash

[Crash]

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You have been proven wrong in Cowher's pursuit of Andrews over Ben.

Dan Rooney says I'm right. Deal with it.

[ScoreKeeper]

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I have not read the whole thread, and I don't care who is saying they are right or wrong on this matter because I thought it was common knowledge that Dan himself stepped in and made Ben our pick. He has said it, and wrote it in his book. In fact, he said he was always reluctant to voice too much concerning draft picks; letting the coaches, scouts, and GM to that job; but in this instance, with Cowher pushing to draft Andrews, he felt he had to step because he could not see passing up Ben.

That is all.

Have a great day.

[hawaiiansteel]

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wasn't Alonzo Jackson also one of Bill Cowher's picks?

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I have not read the whole thread, and I don't care who is saying they are right or wrong on this matter because I thought it was common knowledge that Dan himself stepped in and made Ben our pick. He has said it, and wrote it in his book. In fact, he said he was always reluctant to voice too much concerning draft picks; letting the coaches, scouts, and GM to that job; but in this instance, with Cowher pushing to draft Andrews, he felt he had to step because he could not see passing up Ben.

That's what Dan Rooney himself said. But somehow only Kevin Colbert's recent quote seems to matter.

[ScoreKeeper]

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Page 264 of Dan's book:

Our people had turned to Andrews, our likely number one pick. I could not bear the thought of passing on another great QB prospect like we did on Marino so I steered the conversation to Roethlisberger...he was just what we needed.

Dan Rooney-

Dan Rooney
My 75 Years With the Pittsburgh Steelers and the NFL

Published 2007

[Blockhead]

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Page 264 of Dan's book:

Our people had turned to Andrews, our likely number one pick. I could not bear the thought of passing on another great QB prospect like we did on Marino so I steered the conversation to Roethlisberger...he was just what we needed.

Dan Rooney-

Dan Rooney
My 75 Years With the Pittsburgh Steelers and the NFL

Published 2007

So putting the quotes together it seems the scouts and Colbert had decided Andrews was the better selection when Dan spoke up and Bill agreed and the room turned to Ben.

I'm sure this stuff happens all the time with different opinions being settled by the hiararchy.

[Crash]

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wasn't Alonzo Jackson also one of Bill Cowher's picks?

The rumor was part of the reason Colbert managed to trade for that pick with KC to draft Troy was so Cowher, if LJ was gone, would not pick Jackson in the first round as our scouts thought he would be there in round 2.

Only when Colbert managed to be in position to get that pick, did Cowher warm up to the idea of drafting Polamalu.

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With Mississippi quarterback Eli Manning trying to talk his way out of San Diego, the Steelers are investigating the cost of climbing higher in the first round to get the quarterback they have targeted -- North Carolina State's Philip Rivers.

The problem: The price tag may be too steep, possibly second- and fourth-round picks, in addition to their choice in the first round. Steelers officials and coach Bill Cowher have said they want to keep all nine of their selections to improve other areas of the team.

Director of football operations Kevin Colbert has said that trading up is the Steelers' "least likely" draft-day scenario, and they probably will stay at No. 11 and pick.

Meanwhile, the New York Giants and Cleveland Browns are interested in trading up to the first overall choice held by the Chargers. The Giants could present a proposal to Chargers officials today.

The Giants want Manning, and the Browns are hoping to get Iowa offensive tackle Robert Gallery. The Chargers don't see a significant difference between Manning and Rivers and would gladly settle for Rivers. That would leave the Steelers out of the Rivers derby at No. 11.

It's also possible that the Buffalo Bills, who may be looking for a quarterback at No. 13, might consider trading ahead of the Steelers, but the Bills are probably unwilling to give up a second-round choice.

The Steelers also are eagerly pursuing Rivers in the final days before the draft, envisioning him as the eventual replacement for Tommy Maddox and a fallback candidate this year, in the event of an emergency.

Rivers, who already has earned his degree in business and holds the NCAA record with 51 career starts, is considered a quick study and a better bet to succeed in his rookie season than Miami (Ohio)'s Ben Roethlisberger, who is leaving school with a year of collegiate eligibility remaining.


Read more: Steelers contemplate trading up in order to get Rivers - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

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[hawaiiansteel]

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With Mississippi quarterback Eli Manning trying to talk his way out of San Diego, the Steelers are investigating the cost of climbing higher in the first round to get the quarterback they have targeted -- North Carolina State's Philip Rivers.

The problem: The price tag may be too steep, possibly second- and fourth-round picks, in addition to their choice in the first round. Steelers officials and coach Bill Cowher have said they want to keep all nine of their selections to improve other areas of the team.

Director of football operations Kevin Colbert has said that trading up is the Steelers' "least likely" draft-day scenario, and they probably will stay at No. 11 and pick.

Meanwhile, the New York Giants and Cleveland Browns are interested in trading up to the first overall choice held by the Chargers. The Giants could present a proposal to Chargers officials today.

The Giants want Manning, and the Browns are hoping to get Iowa offensive tackle Robert Gallery. The Chargers don't see a significant difference between Manning and Rivers and would gladly settle for Rivers. That would leave the Steelers out of the Rivers derby at No. 11.

It's also possible that the Buffalo Bills, who may be looking for a quarterback at No. 13, might consider trading ahead of the Steelers, but the Bills are probably unwilling to give up a second-round choice.

The Steelers also are eagerly pursuing Rivers in the final days before the draft, envisioning him as the eventual replacement for Tommy Maddox and a fallback candidate this year, in the event of an emergency.

Rivers, who already has earned his degree in business and holds the NCAA record with 51 career starts, is considered a quick study and a better bet to succeed in his rookie season than Miami (Ohio)'s Ben Roethlisberger, who is leaving school with a year of collegiate eligibility remaining.


Read more: Steelers contemplate trading up in order to get Rivers - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

[url="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_190703.html"]http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 90703.html[/url]

an obvious smokescreen...

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Cowher isn't that smart.

[NJ-STEELER]

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Page 264 of Dan's book:

Our people had turned to Andrews, our likely number one pick. I could not bear the thought of passing on another great QB prospect like we did on Marino so I steered the conversation to Roethlisberger...he was just what we needed.

Dan Rooney-

Dan Rooney
My 75 Years With the Pittsburgh Steelers and the NFL

Published 2007

rooney is a liar

LOL

[Flasteel]

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Page 264 of Dan's book:

Our people had turned to Andrews, our likely number one pick. I could not bear the thought of passing on another great QB prospect like we did on Marino so I steered the conversation to Roethlisberger...he was just what we needed.

Dan Rooney-

Dan Rooney
My 75 Years With the Pittsburgh Steelers and the NFL

Published 2007

You could have at least read the original post:
"Choosing Ben Roethlisberger with the 11th pick of the 2004 draft. Normally, I'd make the franchise quarterback a GM's best decision -- especially with Big Ben on the verge of winning his third Super Bowl -- but Colbert credits former coach Bill Cowher for selling everyone on the Miami (of Ohio) quarterback, saying the move had to be made "for the good of the organization." He was right. Roethlisberger is one of the top quarterbacks in the game and a virtual certainty to make the Hall of Fame."

Colbert states that it was Cowher who sold it to everyone in the room. This account meshes very well with what Rooney stated. He STEERED the conversation to Roethlisberger when "his people" turned to Andrews.

Why would you now believe that Cowher was one of those people if he was the one who Colbert credits as selling everyone on Ben?

Maybe Cowher really wanted Andrews, but when he saw how adamant Rooney was on getting a franchise quarterback, he couldn't pass up the opportunity to suck up to him. Got any other scenario that is remotely plausible where Colbert isn't lying?

Thanks for feeding that parasite that's sucking the common sense out of Crash's pre-frontal cortex.

[Crash]

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How can Cowher sell anyone on Ben when he couldn't even be bothered to attend his Pro Day in Ohio?

[Crash]

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Colbert states that it was Cowher who sold it to everyone in the room. This account meshes very well with what Rooney stated. He STEERED the conversation to Roethlisberger when "his people" turned to Andrews.

And Cowher would be one of those people, no?

If Rooney doesn't walk into the war room, Ben's in Buffalo.

Colbert's not going to admit during SB week that Dan Rooney threw his weight around on draft day. Rooney's explanation of the 2004 draft is safely tucked away in his book, where only Steelers fans even read it or care.

[Flasteel]

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Colbert states that it was Cowher who sold it to everyone in the room. This account meshes very well with what Rooney stated. He STEERED the conversation to Roethlisberger when "his people" turned to Andrews.

And Cowher would be one of those people, no?

If Rooney doesn't walk into the war room, Ben's in Buffalo.

Colbert's not going to admit during SB week that Dan Rooney threw his weight around on draft day. Rooney's explanation of the 2004 draft is safely tucked away in his book, where only Steelers fans even read it or care.

Admit that Rooney was throwing his weight around?

Where do you get this stuff?

Do you think he just made this up to spare Dan Rooney some type of embarrassment? If that's the case, then why bring Cowher into it at all? Why would he try to take away credit from Rooney?

Your argument makes zero sense.

As far as not being "bothered" to go to Ben's pro day...nice use of biased hyperbole to try and twist your point further. You don't know what the reason was for this. Maybe it's as simple as the coaches splitting up the QB prospects and Whipple went to Ben's while he went to Rivers'. Maybe it had to do with him living in NC. Maybe it had something to do with which QB he wanted a closer look at. Who cares?

What you are arguing is that Colbert is lying. You offer Cowher's lack of attendance at Ben's pro day as some type of quasi-proof that there is no way he would have supported taking Ben over Andrews. That my friend is nothing short of denial.

You are caught in your own poorly constructed logic trap Crash. It is only the truth that will set you free...if you embrace it.