"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I have been telling ya Steelers love to run the ball instead of throwing 4 yard passes to RB. That is how Steelers team are built. Great Defense. Take time off the clock and let the D take over a close game.

50 catches to a RB???? Dude are you kidding me....???????

Here are the breakdown for 2010

Mike Wallace -60 catches
Hines Ward - 59
Manny - 28
Brown -16
Mendy -16

Now you want Mendy to catch 50 times +325 carries??? Are you out of your mind???

This is a perfect recipe for a defeat. So you are telling lets throw less to Wallace and Ward and throw more to Mendy.

Again your dink and dunk won't work when you are throwing 25 times a game.

3 catches a game is not a lot....

do you really think we can feed Mend 325 times every year?

Those 3 passes a game would replace 3 RUTFM's... do you think it's wise for Mend to have 325 carries?

That is insane.

I am not a fan of 325 carries. It will end Mendy carrier pretty quickly.

As i said i don't have any problem with Ben throwing more to Mendy but i don't want any throws away from Wallace/Brown/Ward or Manny.

If steelers are going to throw more it makes perfect sense to throw more to your RB/TE.

But if they are going throw same way as they did it in 2010 you have to take ball out of Wallace/Ward hands who are playmakers in the passing game.

I disagree... Ben doesn't complete every pass so some of those incompletions to Sanders and Wallace would turn into completions and 1st downs with Mend...

and Ben would take less abuse.

What kind of statement is that??? Its beyond stupidity. You want Ben to throw 50 times to Mendy with same number of pass attempts???? BTW no QB throws 100% completion.

If Ben is not even trying to get to Wallace or Sanders how are they going to get the ball.

[feltdizz]

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3 passes a game to Mend will not take every pass attempt away from Wallace or Sanders.

If 25 pass attempts is your average 22 going to the rest of the team isn't extreme.

Do you really think those bubble screens are working? I don't.

I thinl your crazy to talk like Mend catching a few passes a game is a negative for our team. It would extend drives and grind more clock allowing for more pass attempts

[RuthlessBurgher]

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For reference:

John L. Williams caught over 50 passes for us in one season in the mid 90's. Merril Hoge caught 50 passes in one season in the late 80's (and had 2 other seasons with 40 or more catches). Even Amos Zereoue had 2 consecutive seasons in which he caught 40 or more passes.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What kind of statement is that??? Its beyond stupidity. You want Ben to throw 50 times to Mendy with same number of pass attempts???? BTW no QB throws 100% completion.

If Ben is not even trying to get to Wallace or Sanders how are they going to get the ball.

3 pass attempts = not even trying to get the ball to anyone else?

yeah.. that is beyond stupidity, but you said it not me!

oh.. and it's hard to get a real grasp of the reception totals given our run heavy O without Ben the first 4 games

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What kind of statement is that??? Its beyond stupidity. You want Ben to throw 50 times to Mendy with same number of pass attempts???? BTW no QB throws 100% completion.

If Ben is not even trying to get to Wallace or Sanders how are they going to get the ball.

3 pass attempts = not even trying to get the ball to anyone else?

yeah.. that is beyond stupidity, but you said it not me!

oh.. and it's hard to get a real grasp of the reception totals given our run heavy O without Ben the first 4 games

Mendy
2010 : 324 carries + 23 catches
2009: 242 carries + 25 catches

Mewalde Moore

2010: 35 carries + 26 catches
2009: 33 carries + 21 catches


Its not like Ben ignores his RB. How many more catches you want??? Your RB does catch 50 times a season.

As far as bubble screen goes it does work except when they throw the bubble screen to Hines Ward.

[Crash]

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They don't watch. A LOT of the time Ben doesn't have a RB check down because the back is blocking. He's not even an option.

When the offense is rid pf Spaeth and Johnson then people can talk.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What kind of statement is that??? Its beyond stupidity. You want Ben to throw 50 times to Mendy with same number of pass attempts???? BTW no QB throws 100% completion.

If Ben is not even trying to get to Wallace or Sanders how are they going to get the ball.

3 pass attempts = not even trying to get the ball to anyone else?

yeah.. that is beyond stupidity, but you said it not me!

oh.. and it's hard to get a real grasp of the reception totals given our run heavy O without Ben the first 4 games

Mendy
2010 : 324 carries + 23 catches
2009: 242 carries + 25 catches

Mewalde Moore

2010: 35 carries + 26 catches
2009: 33 carries + 21 catches


Its not like Ben ignores his RB. How many more catches you want??? Your RB does catch 50 times a season.

As far as bubble screen goes it does work except when they throw the bubble screen to Hines Ward.

Like I said a million times before... I want MENDENHALL to get 40 to 50 catches.

[ScoreKeeper]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What kind of statement is that??? Its beyond stupidity. You want Ben to throw 50 times to Mendy with same number of pass attempts???? BTW no QB throws 100% completion.

If Ben is not even trying to get to Wallace or Sanders how are they going to get the ball.

3 pass attempts = not even trying to get the ball to anyone else?

yeah.. that is beyond stupidity, but you said it not me!

oh.. and it's hard to get a real grasp of the reception totals given our run heavy O without Ben the first 4 games

Mendy
2010 : 324 carries + 23 catches
2009: 242 carries + 25 catches

Mewalde Moore

2010: 35 carries + 26 catches
2009: 33 carries + 21 catches


Its not like Ben ignores his RB. How many more catches you want??? Your RB does catch 50 times a season.

As far as bubble screen goes it does work except when they throw the bubble screen to Hines Ward.

Like I said a million times before... I want MENDENHALL to get 40 to 50 catches.

Then draft a better line, talk to BA, and make your voice listened to high into the mountains, about not keeping Mendy in to block.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

They don't watch. A LOT of the time Ben doesn't have a RB check down because the back is blocking. He's not even an option.

When we pass to the RB on designed pass plays (not screens) good things happen.

Our RB is in there blocking because we are trying to go down field all the time. Use him as another weapon on pass plays and watch the D adjust.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Behind the Steel Curtain

with Michael Bean


Ben Roethlisberger seemed "off" during the playoffs. Any thoughts as to why? Dale Lolley suggested in his blog receivers ran incorrect routes. Is this so in your opinion or was there more to the issues in the passing game?

I'm more inclined to trust Lolley's assessment about receivers' incorrect route-running than anything. But I would also cite the incredible amount of pain that Roethlisberger played through late in the season, and in the playoffs in particular.

In both the Jets and Packers games, Roethlisberger absorbed huge hits early in the game. That's nothing too new though. However, Big Ben played those games with a broken bone in his right foot. We're so used to Roethlisberger playing through extreme pain that I think it's easy to lose sight of just how a QBs mechanics are affected when they stray from their usual throwing routine in order to compensate for or diffuse pain. Quarterbacks plant with their right foot, so I really don't find it all that shocking that Roethlisberger was uncharacteristically sporadic with his throws in the playoffs.

I don't know if he seemed 'off' to me. I'd also mention that the guy played a pretty dang good game against the Ravens (19-of-32, 226 yds, 2 TDs, 0 INT, 101+ QB rating). The accuracy wasn't quite there, but people might be forgetting the conditions in Pittsburgh that night -- cold, REAL cold, like -5 degrees wind chill cold. As disappointing
as the Super Bowl, I'll never forget that Divisional Round win over the Ravens. Big Ben was a big part of that memorable night. And finally, let's not forget the defense gets paid handsomely too. And the Ravens, Jets, and Packers just so happen to be three of the elite units in the NFL.

Do you think the organization stood behind its players enough - specifically Roethlisberger and Harrison - as they struggled with Roger Goodell and the NFL front office this season?

Yes, I think Coach Tomlin and the Rooneys handled both situations to perfection.

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[Crash]

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Do you think the organization stood behind its players enough - specifically Roethlisberger and Harrison - as they struggled with Roger Goodell and the NFL front office this season?

Tomlin did.

The Rooney's did not.

[hawaiiansteel]

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Newton’s QB tutor: Roethlisberger is Cam’s “NFL model”

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 14, 2011




While Auburn quarterback Cam Newton should use a different role model off the field, his private quarterback tutor George Whitfield says Newton will try to emulate Ben Roethlisberger on the field.

“I think that’s Cam’s NFL model, in that, they are both built like power-forwards in the NBA,” Whitfield told Chris Russell of ESPN 980 in Washington. “They’re both winners, they close out games, and they have an ability to extend plays.”

Newton may have dialed Whitfield up, in fact, for his noted work with Roethlisberger in the past. The comparison is apt.

Many of the questions surrounding Roethlisberger when he came out of college included his inexperience reading defenses. They are both at their best improvising. Draft analysts thought Big Ben might be a bit of a project (like Newton), but he wound up playing very well for a rookie quarterback.

There are differences, of course: Newton is clearly a more athletic runner, while Roethlisberger had fewer questions about his deep ball accuracy.

Whitfield believes Newton can take what Roethlisberger does to another level.

“I think Ben is a Hummer, and Cam is a Hummer 2, with racing stripes and a spoiler,” Whitfield said.

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[RuthlessBurgher]

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I think Ben is a Hummer

Considering the Milledgeville accusations, I think he could have used a better automobile analogy here.

[ghettoscott]

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23 pages! is this the longest thread in PS history?

why does my emoticon look like it has a white outline?

[hawaiiansteel]

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Ben Roethlisberger's Spectacular 2010 Season in the Fourth Quarter and on Third Down

by Michael Bean on Mar 17, 2011



(Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images)

Let's begin with Ben Roethlisbeger's passing numbers in two key situations -- in the fourth quarter and on third down. Now, being great in the fourth quarter or on third down isn't enough. Not if you lay an egg in other quarters or downs. But obviously both categories are significant. You get a chance to make up for mishaps on first and second down; you have to punt it away if you falter on third down. Same applies to quarters one through three. So long as you're not disastrous in the early stages of game, you can always make up for it in the fourth and final quarter. So, though they don't correlate directly to team success, it's hard to argue that successful performance by your quarterback in the final 15 minutes and on third downs is paramount to a team's success.

Fourth Quarter Passing Leaders (AFC)

Rank Player Comp-Att Comp % Yards Yards/Att. TDs TD % INTs INT % Rating
1 Ben Roethlisberger 55-83 66.3 796 9.59 7 6.4 3 3.6 110.3
2 David Garrard 55-82 61.2 667 7.85 7 8.2 1 1.3 108.3
3 Tom Brady 63-97 64.9 736 7.59 8 8.2 2 2.1 106.7
4 Phillip Rivers 92-145 63.4 1122 7.74 10 6.9 3 2.1 101.6
5 Jason Campbell 59-94 62.8 756 8.04 4 4.3 1 1.1 97.7
6 Matt Schuab 113-182 62.1 1371 7.54 9 4.9 3 1.6 94.8
7 Peyton Manning 107-166 64.5 1213 7.31 8 4.8 4 2.4 92.3
8 Colt McCoy 45-71 63.4 566 7.97 4 5.6 3 4.3 89.3
9 Joe Flacco 68-106 64.2 735 6.93 4 3.8 2 1.9 89.2
10 Kyle Orton 97-169 57.4 1156 6.84 9 5.3 4 2.4 86.3


A couple of quick notes:

The chart above just shows the AFC leaders, but you'll have to trust me when I tell you that Roethlisberger's 4th quarter numbers also overshadow the top late-game performers in the NFC. Michael Vick was the NFC's highest rated passer (106.9). Vick also led the conference in yards/attempt (8.53). Aaron Rodgers meanwhile posted the best completion percentage (66.0). Add it all up and Big Ben is your NFL leader in fourth quarter passing -- at least in terms of rating, completion percentage, and yards/attempt.
I had no idea that David Garrrard had such a solid year in the fourth quarter. The Jaguars' signal caller had a much improved season compared to '09, but his final numbers don't jump out at you. Must mean he was much more pedestrian in quarters one through three.

Mr. Clutch..aka Peyton Manning wasn't all that special in 2010 in the final fifteen minutes of games. Not bad, that's for sure. But not great either.

Colt McCoy surely wishes he could have done more to help the Browns win more games, but he's being too hard on himself if he hasn't taken a moment to reflect on the solid experience he accumulated during his rookie year -- a season that was supposed to see him relegated to the bench no matter the circumstances.

Let's turn our attention now to third down passing stats. Successful passing on third down is important for obvious reasons, but as you'll see below, of the six highest rated AFC QBs on 3rd down passing attempts, only Brady and Roethlisberger led their teams to playoff berths. Let's take a look.


Third Down Passing Leaders (AFC)

Rank Player Comp-Att. Comp. % Yards Yards/Attempt TDs TD % INTs INT% Rating
1 Tom Brady 83-137 60.6 1139 8.71 15 10.9 2 1.5 119.3
2 Ben Roethlisberger 70-107 65.4 939 8.78 8 7.5 1 0.9 114.2
3 Philip Rivers 91-155 58.7 1312 8.46 10 6.5 5 3.2 94.3
4 Ryan Fitzpatrick 77-132 58.3 1026 7.77 9 6.8 4 3.0 93.2
5 Matt Schaub 79-130 60.8 862 6.63 4 3.1 0 0.0 90.6
6 Jason Campbell 54-102 52.9 756 7.41 6 5.9 2 2.0 88.5
7 Matt Cassel 78-144 54.2 1038 7.21 7 4.9 3 2.1 84.8
8 Joe Flacco 85-148 57.4 1172 7.92 7 4.7 5 3.4 84.6
9 David Garrard 62-100 62.0 694 6.94 6 6.0 5 5.0 81.8
10 Chad Henne 81-142 57.0 938 6.61 7 4.9 7 4.9 73.0


A few more notes on this set of data:

Tom Brady was filthy on third down last year. A TD toss every 9 pass attempts. Ridiculous. Too bad it was all for not as New England was impotent against the Jets in their playoff loss.

Roethlisberger wasn't too shabby himself. He posted the highest yards/attempt mark in the conference, as well as the highest completion percentage. His TD percentage and rating were second best. Only Jon Kitna completed a higher percentage of third down passes (70.4), and no NFC QB matched Roethlisberger's rating on third down.

So, even though your most recent memory of Ben Roethlisberger was of him making two costly mistakes in the Steelers' loss to the Packers in Super Bowl XLV, don't forget that history is made up of more than just the last thing you can remember. Last year, Roethlisberger played at a higher level than he ever has in his seven year career. He made smart decisions with the football, he took appropriate chances down the field, he was accurate, he distributed the ball amongst his bevy of playmakers, and as we've just seen, he raised his game to an even higher level on third down situations and late in games. Not bad, I'd say. Not bad at all.

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