Arians not leaving - coming back?

[SteelCrazy]

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People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.

Horton just got a promotion and I can't find anyone who thinks our secondary was good.

Horton didnt get promoted because of his secondary coaching skills. He got the DC job because they're hoping he has learned the 3-4 D and can run it like LeBeau

so.... in the NFL you can get a promotion based on hope and not on skills.

You're right. No team hopes they get a good coach, they know they're are getting a good coach. That's why the Lions and Browns are contenders every year, because every team KNOWS what they're getting.

You're the one that pointed out no one likes Hortons skills as a secondary coach. So, being a bad coach is what gets you promoted.

[SteelCrazy]

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If Ben had the freedom to "play his way" Spaeth and Johnson would never see the field.

Can't argue with that, but you know what I meant. Ben likes Arians

[birtikidis]

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The only thing I dislike about Arians is the fact that he refuses to use a true fullback. Instead he uses a 3rd string TE to play out of position... wtf? I can understand the philosophy of using 3 TE's but what I can't understand is cutting whole parts of an offense out. doesn't makes ense to me.

[Shawn]

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I know people may hate this but....

Ben's SB performance should shut people up about Arians...

I think most BA haters refuse to admit Ben is capable of making mistakes.. he is human. Praising Ben for every TD and bashing BA for every stalled drive doesn't hold water.

We made the SB and it wasn't in spite of BA.

Agreed. If Ben does what Ben does this isn't even a conversation. I won't blame Arians for Ben's poor game.

[Crash]

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Ben did what Ben does. He moved the ball when they went with 3 wide and struggled early when we tried to make plays with two TEs on the field.

[Oviedo]

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I have to agree with Ovi... I'm a Lebeau fan but it's obvious our secondary is horrible and the kids can't get on the field and when they do they look lost.

Something has to change because Arians has shown the ability to get the youngsters on the field on offense.

Why can't our 3rd 5th or 6th rounders have an impact on D? Are we really drafting the worst CB's in football?

That's all I've been saying. We need to look at and should discuss why we have a systemic problem with developing DBs and the performance of our secondary. I'd rather look at and discuss versus sticking my head in the sand and trusting the "genius."

Look at the facts. Who is the last good DB we have developed? My count is that it was IKe. Can't count Troy because he is on a physical level beyond 99.99% of the NFL. We had to get Clark as a FA. We had to bring back Bmac as a trade.

There is something wrong with what is happening in our defensive secondary. All I've been saying is don't know if it is the type of players our DC wants, the development once they get here or how they are used but there is a serious problem.

But because of that I'm accused of hating old people. So be it. Perhaps I just think people doing a job should be held to the same standard that we hold other people to doing a similar job in the same organization. In the NFL what you did yesterday doesn't matter jack to me. It's about what you are going to do tomorrow.

[feltdizz]

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Thanks for bringing up LeBeau. He got the head coaching job in Cincinnati at age 61-62, so Arians at 58 shouldnt be a problem. Of couse his Temple record suggests what a lot of us think of him.

Lebeau wasn't successful at Cincinnati.. maybe he ruined it for Arians.

I think pointing out the lack of a HC offer is the only card the haters have left.

I don't think Arians is the greatest in the world but I think he fits nicely with our WR's and QB. We have been to 2 SB's with a horrible OL (they were better as this year went on)... so I can't understand what people really expect with a new guy.

Hell, can anyone name a few replacements who they think would fit better?

Pointing out the lack of HC offers is our only card left? HA! The Mendy fumble is card 2. The Packers knew it was coming. Having Speath and Johnson on the field all the time is another. When Sanders got hurt Arians admitted he was scrambling on the sidelines to call plays. He is an alright guy, I guess, but he is given a pass because Ben loves the freedom to play his way. Tomlin doesnt like to rock the boat. Hey, we are successful most of the time and Arians cant be that bad, but we were successful way before he got here and we'll still be after he's gone. Hopefully sooner then later.

Oh the horror... a team guessed right on a play based on formation. That never happens in the NFL.

All OC's have to "scramble" to call plays when one of the primary players in the gameplan goes down.

We are young at WR and it bit us in the azzz on the wrong day.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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I have to agree with Ovi... I'm a Lebeau fan but it's obvious our secondary is horrible and the kids can't get on the field and when they do they look lost.

Something has to change because Arians has shown the ability to get the youngsters on the field on offense.

Why can't our 3rd 5th or 6th rounders have an impact on D? Are we really drafting the worst CB's in football?

That's all I've been saying. We need to look at and should discuss why we have a systemic problem with developing DBs and the performance of our secondary. I'd rather look at and discuss versus sticking my head in the sand and trusting the "genius."

Look at the facts. Who is the last good DB we have developed? My count is that it was IKe. Can't count Troy because he is on a physical level beyond 99.99% of the NFL. We had to get Clark as a FA. We had to bring back Bmac as a trade.

There is something wrong with what is happening in our defensive secondary. All I've been saying is don't know if it is the type of players our DC wants, the development once they get here or how they are used but there is a serious problem.

But because of that I'm accused of hating old people. So be it. Perhaps I just think people doing a job should be held to the same standard that we hold other people to doing a similar job in the same organization. In the NFL what you did yesterday doesn't matter jack to me. It's about what you are going to do tomorrow.

Everyone that lives in Florida hates all those d@mn old people. Just admit it.

Keeping LeBeau employed in Pittsburgh means one less old person in the Sunshine State, though. :P

[birtikidis]

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I agree, I want a better defense. I'm tired of being number 1 in almost every major category.
FIRE THE BUM!

[SteelCrazy]

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Thanks for bringing up LeBeau. He got the head coaching job in Cincinnati at age 61-62, so Arians at 58 shouldnt be a problem. Of couse his Temple record suggests what a lot of us think of him.

Lebeau wasn't successful at Cincinnati.. maybe he ruined it for Arians.

I think pointing out the lack of a HC offer is the only card the haters have left.

I don't think Arians is the greatest in the world but I think he fits nicely with our WR's and QB. We have been to 2 SB's with a horrible OL (they were better as this year went on)... so I can't understand what people really expect with a new guy.

Hell, can anyone name a few replacements who they think would fit better?

Pointing out the lack of HC offers is our only card left? HA! The Mendy fumble is card 2. The Packers knew it was coming. Having Speath and Johnson on the field all the time is another. When Sanders got hurt Arians admitted he was scrambling on the sidelines to call plays. He is an alright guy, I guess, but he is given a pass because Ben loves the freedom to play his way. Tomlin doesnt like to rock the boat. Hey, we are successful most of the time and Arians cant be that bad, but we were successful way before he got here and we'll still be after he's gone. Hopefully sooner then later.

Oh the horror... a team guessed right on a play based on formation. That never happens in the NFL.

All OC's have to "scramble" to call plays when one of the primary players in the gameplan goes down.

We are young at WR and it bit us in the azzz on the wrong day.

When you're down 21-17 at the start of the 4th quarter and been trailing the whole game it'd be wise not use formations and plays you've ran all year in the super bowl. Everyone knows the other team has watched butt loads of film and when trying to mount a comeback you dont use a low percentage run with a back up center that has to pull and a te playing fb! They eight in the box with the side we were running to overloaded....the only way that play works is if every man gets a hat on their guy. There was no room at all for error, not even in the slightest. At the very least Ben should have audibled out of that play.

[Oviedo]

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I have to agree with Ovi... I'm a Lebeau fan but it's obvious our secondary is horrible and the kids can't get on the field and when they do they look lost.

Something has to change because Arians has shown the ability to get the youngsters on the field on offense.

Why can't our 3rd 5th or 6th rounders have an impact on D? Are we really drafting the worst CB's in football?

That's all I've been saying. We need to look at and should discuss why we have a systemic problem with developing DBs and the performance of our secondary. I'd rather look at and discuss versus sticking my head in the sand and trusting the "genius."

Look at the facts. Who is the last good DB we have developed? My count is that it was IKe. Can't count Troy because he is on a physical level beyond 99.99% of the NFL. We had to get Clark as a FA. We had to bring back Bmac as a trade.

There is something wrong with what is happening in our defensive secondary. All I've been saying is don't know if it is the type of players our DC wants, the development once they get here or how they are used but there is a serious problem.

But because of that I'm accused of hating old people. So be it. Perhaps I just think people doing a job should be held to the same standard that we hold other people to doing a similar job in the same organization. In the NFL what you did yesterday doesn't matter jack to me. It's about what you are going to do tomorrow.

Everyone that lives in Florida hates all those d@mn old people. Just admit it.

Keeping LeBeau employed in Pittsburgh means one less old person in the Sunshine State, though. :P

We only hate them when they are behind the wheel of a car.

[Oviedo]

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I agree, I want a better defense. I'm tired of being number 1 in almost every major category.
FIRE THE BUM!

By all means, if we just have great rankings what does something as silly as winning the Super Bowl have to do with anything?

We'll just ignore how our secondary gets sliced and diced by good QBs because we have good rankings. No need to worry that we have no DBs that can cover man to man against top receivers. We should just show them our rankings so they don't try against us and waste their time.

[birtikidis]

Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

I agree, I want a better defense. I'm tired of being number 1 in almost every major category.
FIRE THE BUM!

By all means, if we just have great rankings what does something as silly as winning the Super Bowl have to do with anything?

We'll just ignore how our secondary gets sliced and diced by good QBs because we have good rankings. No need to worry that we have no DBs that can cover man to man against top receivers. We should just show them our rankings so they don't try against us and waste their time.

bah who wants to get to super bowls. let's bring in someone new just for the sake of doing it by GOD! We all KNOW how great we were at getting to the super bowl before DLB got here! WE don't need him! He's at fault, not the players who get picked on! Not the front office who signs those players to contracts they don't deserve! IT'S ALL DLB!

[feltdizz]

Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

I agree, I want a better defense. I'm tired of being number 1 in almost every major category.
FIRE THE BUM!

By all means, if we just have great rankings what does something as silly as winning the Super Bowl have to do with anything?

We'll just ignore how our secondary gets sliced and diced by good QBs because we have good rankings. No need to worry that we have no DBs that can cover man to man against top receivers. We should just show them our rankings so they don't try against us and waste their time.

bah who wants to get to super bowls. let's bring in someone new just for the sake of doing it by GOD! We all KNOW how great we were at getting to the super bowl before DLB got here! WE don't need him! He's at fault, not the players who get picked on! Not the front office who signs those players to contracts they don't deserve! IT'S ALL DLB!

definitely not all Lebeau...

but can you honestly say our DB development under Lebeau has been stellar? Have you seen any DB look like an NFL cover corner?

I'm sorry but our DB's... outside of Troy, don't even look like professionals have the time IMO.

[Oviedo]

Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

I agree, I want a better defense. I'm tired of being number 1 in almost every major category.
FIRE THE BUM!

By all means, if we just have great rankings what does something as silly as winning the Super Bowl have to do with anything?

We'll just ignore how our secondary gets sliced and diced by good QBs because we have good rankings. No need to worry that we have no DBs that can cover man to man against top receivers. We should just show them our rankings so they don't try against us and waste their time.

bah who wants to get to super bowls. let's bring in someone new just for the sake of doing it by GOD! We all KNOW how great we were at getting to the super bowl before DLB got here! WE don't need him! He's at fault, not the players who get picked on! Not the front office who signs those players to contracts they don't deserve! IT'S ALL DLB!

Or we could do something totally crazy like ask the people we have now to consider other options and do a objective assessment. Don't need new but better from what we have would be OK too.